gun owners

[TheSanityAnnex]

ear muffs!

this booolsheeet is nothing but a sales pitch

@ the CDC sales pitching for suppressor use

"The only potentially effective noise control method to reduce students' or instructors' noise exposure from gunfire is through the use of suppressors that can be attached to the end of a gun barrel."
-Centers for Disease Control & Prevention 2011

[DMC]

I'm aware they don't work like Bond movies. But they do significantly muffle the noise. Why would anyone buy one otherwise?

The difficulty of concealment would seem to impact the legal carrier more than the illegal carrier. As you mentioned, you can't really concealed-carry a handgun with a suppressor attached, so it doesn't really do CHC's any good anyway. As far as illegal use, even a Bond-movie silencer wouldn't do criminals much good in a public place so their ability to conceal the weapon isn't really relevant. What is relevant is their ability to shoot someone near/inside a home, in the dark, etc., without drawing a lot of attention.

Given that the legal firing of handguns is usually limited to (1) recreational use at a gun range where ear protection is mandatory, or (2) self defense, there doesn't seem to be such a pressing danger of ear damage for handgun shooters that we need to eliminate them from inclusion in the NFA and make them more easy to obtain.

I'm sure there was rationale when Reagan signed the ban in 1986 that went beyond being scared of what he saw in movies. This reeks of NRA pork, imo. Buy some ear plugs.

That's ing stupid. Why not just cut your auto muffler off at the manifold and buy some ear plugs? You do realize other people hear the shots as well?

Have you ever fired a suppressed weapon? (not silenced, that's a movie term gun ignorant sticks use)

Do you think a suppressor is a dangerous item? It's a tube with baffles, like a muffler.

Do you think a gun becomes more deadly when it's quieter?

Do you think a suppressed semi-auto is actually silent? It has a slide that makes a of a noise you probably never heard unless you shot a suppressed weapon. Even a suppressed .22 like the Sig Mosquito is loud enough to turn heads in public. An integrally suppressed .44 is pretty quiet though, firing pin and projectile hitting target (subsonic round). There's no such as a suppressed revolver (other than the odd Nagant that can be suppressed but good luck finding ammo), but I've seen them portrayed in movies.

lol, the fear mongering stupidity on the forum knows no limits.

[Th'Pusher]

That's ing stupid. Why not just cut your auto muffler off at the manifold and buy some ear plugs?.

This might be the stupidest analogy I've ever read on this board. There are hundred if not thousands of vehicles contributing to noise pollution in an area at any given time.

You have a point, but you insist on throwing in bag analogies that devalue your argument.

Sharpen up you lazy mother er.

[DMC]

This might be the stupidest analogy I've ever read on this board. There are hundred if not thousands of vehicles contributing to noise pollution in an area at any given time.

Ears sense noise as noise. They don't care if it's from autos or guns.

You have a point, but you insist on throwing in bag analogies that devalue your argument.

It's a good analogy, you're too sloppy to understand it.

Sharpen up you lazy mother er.

Copycat schtick..

[Th'Pusher]

Ears sense noise as noise. They don't care if it's from autos or guns.

It's a good analogy, you're too sloppy to understand it.

Copycat schtick..

There aren't hundreds or thousands of guns being fired simultaneously causing noise pollution as there would be if cars didn't have mufflers. It's a ty analogy.

I'm not stealing your shtick. I'm holding you accountable for your inability to effectively craft an argument in an effort to help you hone you skill.

[DMC]

There aren't hundreds or thousands of guns being fired simultaneously causing noise pollution as there would be if cars didn't have mufflers. It's a ty analogy.

I'm not stealing your shtick. I'm holding you accountable for your inability to effectively craft an argument in an effort to help you hone you skill.

"noise pollution" is just a gimmick. Who cleans it up?

idiot... yeah a dull drone of cars is much worse for the auditory system than a loud, ear drum rupturing bang from a powder discharge. Makes you wonder why bikers and joggers don't wear hearing protection, but shooters do.

dumb ass

[Sec24Row7]

The real deal is this... in order for a gun to get "movie quiet" it has to shoot bullets that are subsonic.

This is because the bullet actually generates noise outside of the barrel as it breaks the sound barrier.

When a rifle or pistol round is subsonic, it carries much less punch... for example... a normal .223 is going north of 3000 fps... the sound barrier is 1,100 fps.

Suppressors lower the sound of the "crack" where it doesn't hurt your ears. This has a very real use in hunting purposes where you have to make split second shots.

If I see a coyote running in the road and pull over to shoot it... it's not going to wait for me to put in earplugs. I can't tell you how much hearing I have lost from just that scenario.

Pistol suppressors vs rifle suppressors etc... a suppressor will lower the crack of any round that will go through it... so... with a modification or adaptor... you can take a say... .30 cal suppressor and use it on anything lower... from .308 to .223 .222 on down...

[boutons_deux]

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[TheSanityAnnex]

What is relevant is their ability to shoot someone near/inside a home, in the dark, etc., without drawing a lot of attention.

Take a look at 130db-110db and tell me if you think these things would not draw attention. The belief that a gun equipped with a suppressor would allow people to murder without drawing a lot of attention is laughable.

https://www.chem.purdue.edu/chemsafe...n/dblevels.htm

Noise Sources and Their Effects

Noise Source	Decibel Level	comment
Jet take-off (at 25 meters)	150	Eardrum rupture
Aircraft carrier deck	140
Military jet aircraft take-off from aircraft carrier with afterburner at 50 ft (130 dB).	130
Thunderclap, chain saw. Oxygen torch (121 dB).	120	Painful. 32 times as loud as 70 dB.
Steel mill, auto horn at 1 meter. Turbo-fan aircraft at takeoff power at 200 ft (118 dB). Riveting machine (110 dB); live rock music (108 - 114 dB).	110	Average human pain threshold. 16 times as loud as 70 dB.
Jet take-off (at 305 meters), use of outboard motor, power lawn mower, motorcycle, farm tractor, jackhammer, garbage truck. Boeing 707 or DC-8 aircraft at one nautical mile (6080 ft) before landing (106 dB); jet flyover at 1000 feet (103 dB); Bell J-2A helicopter at 100 ft (100 dB).	100	8 times as loud as 70 dB. Serious damage possible in 8 hr exposure
Boeing 737 or DC-9 aircraft at one nautical mile (6080 ft) before landing (97 dB); power mower (96 dB); motorcycle at 25 ft (90 dB). Newspaper press (97 dB).	90	4 times as loud as 70 dB. Likely damage 8 hr exp
Garbage disposal, dishwasher, average factory, freight train (at 15 meters). Car wash at 20 ft (89 dB); propeller plane flyover at 1000 ft (88 dB); diesel truck 40 mph at 50 ft (84 dB); diesel train at 45 mph at 100 ft (83 dB). Food blender (88 dB); milling machine (85 dB); garbage disposal (80 dB).	80	2 times as loud as 70 dB. Possible damage in 8 h exposure.
Passenger car at 65 mph at 25 ft (77 dB); freeway at 50 ft from pavement edge 10 a.m. (76 dB). Living room music (76 dB); radio or TV-audio, vacuum cleaner (70 dB).	70	Arbitrary base of comparison. Upper 70s are annoyingly loud to some people.
Conversation in restaurant, office, background music, Air conditioning unit at 100 ft	60	Half as loud as 70 dB. Fairly quiet
Quiet suburb, conversation at home. Large electrical transformers at 100 ft	50	One-fourth as loud as 70 dB.
Library, bird calls (44 dB); lowest limit of urban ambient sound	40	One-eighth as loud as 70 dB.
Quiet rural area	30	One-sixteenth as loud as 70 dB. Very Quiet
Whisper, rustling leaves	20
Breathing	10	Barely audible

[boutons_deux]

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[TheSanityAnnex]

post the facebook link a third time, do it.

[Th'Pusher]

"noise pollution" is just a gimmick. Who cleans it up?

In your inept analogy the suppressor and the muffler clean up the noise pollution, dumb ass. While they serve a similar function, it is an ill-suited analogy in the application. Since you appear to be dense, I'll explain it in terms you should be able to understand. Imagine every single car in NYC doesn't have a muffler. Now imagine every single firearm in NYC doesn't have a suppressor. Both are used at the same frequency as they are today. Idiot

[DMC]

In your inept analogy the suppressor and the muffler clean up the noise pollution, dumb ass. While they serve a similar function, it is an ill-suited analogy in the application. Since you appear to be dense, I'll explain it in terms you should be able to understand. Imagine every single car in NYC doesn't have a muffler. Now imagine every single firearm in NYC doesn't have a suppressor. Both are used at the same frequency as they are today. Idiot

not understanding acute vs chronic
cars deafen people
still lives in a city
isn't deaf

[Th'Pusher]

not understanding acute vs chronic
cars deafen people
still lives in a city
isn't deaf

acute vs chronic
trying to sound smart
so readers won't know you've lost the argument

maybe WC will think you won

You're horrible dude.

[DMC]

interjects in intelligent discussion
gets told to hesh up by the adults
spends the next 4 days trying to recover
stealing my "sloppy" schtick
likely Pinoy

Noise levels of firearms:
.22 caliber rifle 130dB
.223, 55GR. Commercial load 18" barrel 155.5dB
.243 in 22" barrel 155.9dB
.30-30 in 20" barrel 156.0dB.
7mm Magnum in 20" barrel 157.5dB.
.308 in 24" barrel 156.2dB.
.30-06 in 24" barrel 158.5dB. In 18" barrel 163.2dB.
.375 18" barrel with muzzle brake 170 dB.
.410 Bore 28" barrel 150dB. 26" barrel 150.25dB. 18" barrel 156.30dB.
20 Gauge 28" barrel 152.50dB. 22" barrel 154.75dB.
12 Gauge 28" barrel 151.50dB. 26" barrel 156.10dB. 18" barrel 161.50dB.
.25 ACP 155.0 dB.
.32 LONG 152.4 dB.
.32 ACP 153.5 dB.
.380 157.7 dB.
9mm 159.8 dB.
.38 S&W 153.5 dB.
.38 Spl 156.3 dB.
.357 Magnum 164.3 dB.
.41 Magnum 163.2 dB.
.44 Spl 155.9 dB.
.45 ACP 157.0 dB.
.45 COLT 154.7 dB.

[Th'Pusher]

gets told to hesh up by the adults

If only. You could have easily shut me up by simply acknowledging your analogy was innacurately applied or simply ignoring me, but you lack the self control.

Oh and...
@ intelligent discussion.

[Th'Pusher]

interjects in intelligent discussion
gets told to hesh up by the adults
spends the next 4 days trying to recover
stealing my "sloppy" schtick
likely Pinoy

Noise levels of firearms:
.22 caliber rifle 130dB
.223, 55GR. Commercial load 18" barrel 155.5dB
.243 in 22" barrel 155.9dB
.30-30 in 20" barrel 156.0dB.
7mm Magnum in 20" barrel 157.5dB.
.308 in 24" barrel 156.2dB.
.30-06 in 24" barrel 158.5dB. In 18" barrel 163.2dB.
.375 18" barrel with muzzle brake 170 dB.
.410 Bore 28" barrel 150dB. 26" barrel 150.25dB. 18" barrel 156.30dB.
20 Gauge 28" barrel 152.50dB. 22" barrel 154.75dB.
12 Gauge 28" barrel 151.50dB. 26" barrel 156.10dB. 18" barrel 161.50dB.
.25 ACP 155.0 dB.
.32 LONG 152.4 dB.
.32 ACP 153.5 dB.
.380 157.7 dB.
9mm 159.8 dB.
.38 S&W 153.5 dB.
.38 Spl 156.3 dB.
.357 Magnum 164.3 dB.
.41 Magnum 163.2 dB.
.44 Spl 155.9 dB.
.45 ACP 157.0 dB.
.45 COLT 154.7 dB.

at still not getting the difference between comparing cars to firearms.

[Th'Pusher]

Man you're ing stupid and stubborn.

[Spurminator]

That's ing stupid. Why not just cut your auto muffler off at the manifold and buy some ear plugs? You do realize other people hear the shots as well?

Have you ever fired a suppressed weapon? (not silenced, that's a movie term gun ignorant sticks use)

Do you think a suppressor is a dangerous item? It's a tube with baffles, like a muffler.

Do you think a gun becomes more deadly when it's quieter?

Do you think a suppressed semi-auto is actually silent? It has a slide that makes a of a noise you probably never heard unless you shot a suppressed weapon. Even a suppressed .22 like the Sig Mosquito is loud enough to turn heads in public. An integrally suppressed .44 is pretty quiet though, firing pin and projectile hitting target (subsonic round). There's no such as a suppressed revolver (other than the odd Nagant that can be suppressed but good luck finding ammo), but I've seen them portrayed in movies.

lol, the fear mongering stupidity on the forum knows no limits.

The hysterical reaction to any suggestion of gun control is far more limitless than any gun-fear mongering. I'm just asking questions here. I never said they made guns silent. Change your panties and reread the post because 80% of this response has nothing to do with anything I said. You read better when you're not emotional.

Why were noise suppressors regulated in the first place?

[Spurminator]

Take a look at 130db-110db and tell me if you think these things would not draw attention. The belief that a gun equipped with a suppressor would allow people to murder without drawing a lot of attention is laughable.

https://www.chem.purdue.edu/chemsafe...n/dblevels.htm

Is 130 and 110 the difference between a suppressed and non-suppressed handgun?

[CosmicCowboy]

The hysterical reaction to any suggestion of gun control is far more limitless than any gun-fear mongering. I'm just asking questions here. I never said they made guns silent. Change your panties.

Why were noise suppressors regulated in the first place?

Legislative hysteria over Hollywood portrayals of "silencers".

[Spurminator]

Legislative hysteria over Hollywood portrayals of "silencers".

Link?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Is 130 and 110 the difference between a suppressed and non-suppressed handgun?

No. 130-110 is suppressed.

160 is about average unsuppressed.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Link?

CNN’s Victor Blackwell addressed the Hearing Protection Act and saidopponents of suppressors see any hearing benefits claims as a “facade.” He then showed movie clips from Casino Royale and No Country for Old Men and a narrator said, “A gun silencer, shooting enthusiasts call it a suppressor. It’s an assassin’s must have in movies.”

https://iqmediacorp.com/ClipPlayer/?...1-09d3708cf906

[Spurminator]

CNN’s Victor Blackwell addressed the Hearing Protection Act and saidopponents of suppressors see any hearing benefits claims as a “facade.” He then showed movie clips from Casino Royale and No Country for Old Men and a narrator said, “A gun silencer, shooting enthusiasts call it a suppressor. It’s an assassin’s must have in movies.”

https://iqmediacorp.com/ClipPlayer/?...1-09d3708cf906

But what about 1986?