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Both have insane usage rate if i'm not mistaken, that tends to have an affect on the number of turnovers one player has. KL player 46 minutes, took 30 shots, had 8 FTA and 5 assists but also had 6 turnovers.
Bull .
Kawhi has a FMVP and b2b DPOY awards. Pop has CotY award 3 times. There's no bias against the Spurs for anything other than highlight reels.
Both have insane usage rate if i'm not mistaken, that tends to have an affect on the number of turnovers one player has. KL player 46 minutes, took 30 shots, had 8 FTA and 5 assists but also had 6 turnovers.
I tend to agree but , then again, Marc Gasol has Duncan's DVOP award despite Duncan being an absolute monster during the 12-13 season. I think narratives drive MVP awards more.
Dwight is generally considered to have been the best player during the 11-12 season but Rose got it. Leonard is having a monster season but narratives don't seem to work out in his favor.
If the Spurs can win 63+ and have, five more wins than Houston than I think that it's possible for him to get consideration, also if OKC finishes with fewer than 45 wins then that should work in his favor too.
You're right. I still find it very impressive with all the 3 chucking he does.
Another part of it is many of the wild shots/layups he misses the refs are calling fouls so it doesn't count as a miss. His baiting/swipe throughs/arm grabbing is expert level for sure, but there's a bit of BS involved with the refs anticipating and just plain giving him those superstar calls.
I always feel funny complaining about it though when we benefited so much from the same thing in Manu's pre-prime and prime2005 floppy haired Manu set the standard. Harden is just the evolution.
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Bull nothing, Spurs have won five rings and have been in the playoffs since 1999. The Spurs MAKE them give those awards or they risk losing credibility but guaranteed they wish Lebron or GSW was winning them.
Wishing it and allowing that wish to bias your work are two different things, plus you're just arguing by assertion. Show some evidence.
The FMVP award has only once been given to a player on the losing team. The Spurs have 5 championships, they have 5 FMVP trophies, there's not much the NBA or the media can do about it...
Kawhi getting 2 DPOY awards was actually nice since one of them was really contested by Green and I'm still surprised they didn't give it to GSW. I'm over Duncan never getting it, as it's a secondary award that basically never goes to a player who is seriously being considered for the MVP (or has been). Bowen never getting it is mind-boggling.
Pop having 3 CotY is a joke yet he has the most in history shared with Riley and Nelson (Phil only has one). It's a consolation prize anyway.
Buford got EotY twice... when you see the schmucks who got it, often for trades that badly backfired, it's a joke again.
Joe Johnson has one fewer All-Star selection than Tony and Manu combined (despite having basically no MVP award shares). The Spurs have never had 3 players in the same ASG...
Most satisfying win so far, huh......
Loving it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To Lebron:
You love Pop right???
COME JOIN THE SPURS MAN!!!!! You and Kawhi could be the strongest duo in NBA history!!!!!
I think that Kawhi and Lebron together could definitely be in conversation against MJ/Pipplen for best all time duo.....
just my humble opinion gentlemen........
Incidentally, Grandmaster Pop shall coach both Kawhi and Lebron in the future US Olympic team!
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jazz surpass the Rockets before asg
Consolation prize? Consolation for what? Last time Pop won the CotY they won the Finals.
You're clueless.
His only real shot is if we somehow overtake the Dubs and therefore have the "best player on the best team" argument while at the same time Houston slips in the standing taking some of the luster off Harden
That said, I think KL takes it home sometime in the next 3 years.
Damn, you are one big dumb .
Tell me exactly what the Kawhi's formative years have to do with who's better offensively right now?
So NOW it's about right now. Is DeRozan a better offensive player than Steph Curry right now? Is he better than Lebron James right now? Is Isaiah Thomas better offensively than Steph or Durant?
You lost already.
Tell me why Klaynus is better instead of trying to deflect.
LeBron coasts at this point in his career, you've said that yourself. He has a scoring le under his belt. Steph and KD have recent scoring les as well. The most Klaynus has ever averaged is 22.1 PPG. If I ignore your stupid attempt at a deflection, it's because it's stupid not because you have me cornered, dumb .
Lebron coasts: but Klay is 3rd option. Neither of them then need to score that many points to win. Either PPG is the indicator or it's not.
Scoring les: That's the past again. It's either "right now" relevant or it's not.
Career average: Kawhi still has a lower career average than Klay
UT's D league there in SA didn't train you very well.
Are people actually comparing Klay and Kawhi?
2nd in MVP voting last year and strong candidate for MVP. Comparing to ing forever 3rd wheel underperformer.
Jesus, you're an insufferable got.
If Derozan or Thomas were averaging over 3 PPG more than KD, Curry, or LeBron ever did in their careers and were shooting 49/41/91 then yes you might have to start accepting the fact that they're better scorers. But they aren't. Kawhi OTOH is indeed doing that when compared to Klaynus, so stop with your idiotic deflections, fat hands.
This moron actually said Klaynus is a 'much better offensive player right now'.Are people actually comparing Klay and Kawhi?
2nd in MVP voting last year and strong candidate for MVP. Comparing to ing forever 3rd wheel underperformer.
And yet has the audacity to act pompous afterwards, brah.
This moron actually said Klaynus is a 'much better offensive player right now'.
And yet has the audacity to act pompous afterwards, brah.
Harden, Kawhi, LeBron
Durant should never be in the conversation.
Again you return to using the past as an indicator while earlier it was "right now".
Right now, is Isaiah Thomas a better scorer than Lebron James? Is he better than Kawhi? Kawhi's record seasonal high PPG on a complete season is just over 21ppg. That's what Klay has been averaging as a 3rd option. Go ahead and tell me again how those were the formative years, that this half of season trumps the past 5 years.
Since when has Klay been a 3rd option apart from this season? Up until this season, he's been the second option after Curry. They were called the splash brothers for a reason. He was the second option or even a 1B up until last season when Curry broke out.
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