NBA: Could ST be wrong about Klay Thompson

[FkLA]

And let's not ignore the fact that you said Klaynus is a 'much better offensive player'. I see you trying to move the goalposts by just using the term scorer now.

Offensive player would encompass playmaking, another aspect in which Kawhi, despite not being elite at it, is superior than Klaynus. And the fact that you said much better? Wow. Yet in the face of all that you still think you're right and acting pompous/arrogant to boot.

[apalisoc_9]

And let's not ignore the fact that you said Klaynus is a 'much better offensive player'. I see you trying to move the goalposts by just using the term scorer now.

Offensive player would encompass playmaking, another aspect in which Kawhi, despite not being elite at it, is superior than Klaynus. And the fact that you said much better? Wow. Yet in the face of all that you still think you're right and acting pompous/arrogant to boot.

He's just a hipster fatass trying to be "different" let him feel superior brah..only time he gets joy in his life as fat lard.

[DMC]

And let's not ignore the fact that you said Klaynus is a 'much better offensive player'. I see you trying to move the goalposts by just using the term scorer now.

Offensive player would encompass playmaking, another aspect in which Kawhi, despite not being elite at it, is superior than Klaynus. And the fact that you said much better? Wow. Yet in the face of all that you still think you're right and acting pompous/arrogant to boot.

This whole time you've used PPG as evidence and you used it again yesterday.

Above, you moved the goal posts and used double standards several times.

1. Other players coasting (not needing to score suddenly relieves someone of the onus of offense, unless you're name is Klay)
2. 3rd option (Klay)
3. Playmaking (now assists are important, ignore the fact someone has to score to get one)
4. Career averages (Klay's is higher)

So here are your options:

1.
2. Go blind

[FkLA]

This whole time you've used PPG as evidence and you used it again yesterday.

Above, you moved the goal posts and used double standards several times.

1. Other players coasting (not needing to score suddenly relieves someone of the onus of offense, unless you're name is Klay)
2. 3rd option (Klay)
3. Playmaking (now assists are important, ignore the fact someone has to score to get one)
4. Career averages (Klay's is higher)

So here are your options:

1.
2. Go blind

I'm not moving the goalposts at all, idiot. I have you dead to rights regardless. The reason I said that was to show how much tier your original take actually was. In other words, I'm stomping on your head while you're on the ground not running from you. ing imbecile.

[DMC]

I'm not moving the goalposts at all, idiot. I have you dead to rights regardless. The reason I said that was to show how much tier your original take actually was. In other words, I'm stomping on your head while you're on the ground not running from you. ing imbecile.

declaring yourself the victor



You cannot decide if it's this year, last year, the average of all, the current PPG, the assists... because every time you think you have something I debunk it with the simple test of Isaiah Thomas/Steph Curry. You shot your own case down by calling Klay a 3rd option (4th originally, eventually he'll be 1st if you keep going) because that means he's not needed to score as much (same excuse you used for Lebron).

You have to first establish that the stat you're using means what you claim it means, and it cannot be exclusive to your point and disregarded when tested on others.

Did you skip statistics?

[FkLA]

declaring yourself the victor



You cannot decide if it's this year, last year, the average of all, the current PPG, the assists... because every time you think you have something I debunk it with the simple test of Isaiah Thomas/Steph Curry. You shot your own case down by calling Klay a 3rd option (4th originally, eventually he'll be 1st if you keep going) because that means he's not needed to score as much (same excuse you used for Lebron).

You have to first establish that the stat you're using means what you claim it means, and it cannot be exclusive to your point and disregarded when tested on others.

Did you skip statistics?

Now you're trying to make a connection between LBJ coasting and Klaynus being a third option? Who does that?

Enough of your little ty deflections. State your case for Klaynus being a much better offensive player.

[DMC]

Now you're trying to make a connection between LBJ coasting and Klaynus being a third option? Who does that?

Neither is required to completely carry the team. Both would have higher averages if they were. So only rational people who understand relationships and stats. Besides, "coasting" is just a euphemism for "lower ppg as 1st option". You've had some bull excuse for every caveat you've used.

Enough of your little ty deflections. State your case for Klaynus being a much better offensive player.

You've ignored everything I've listed.

Higher career average
More career points (in same time span)
record for points in a quarter
60 points in 29 minutes
Higher career game total points
3rd option still averaging 21ppg
KL was basically 1st option last year and averaged 21ppg.
Everyone ahead of him in ppg is basically a 1a or 1b option on their team.

[FkLA]

Neither is required to completely carry the team. Both would have higher averages if they were. So only rational people who understand relationships and stats.

Except for the simple fact that one does it for preservation. The other because he's not capable of more. One's career high average is 30 PPG, the other's 22 PPG. Stop being so damn stupid.

You've ignored everything I've listed.

Higher career average
More career points (in same time span)
record for points in a quarter
60 points in 29 minutes
Higher career game total points
3rd option still averaging 21ppg
KL was basically 1st option last year and averaged 21ppg.
Everyone ahead of him in ppg is basically a 1a or 1b option on their team.

All that and yet he's never in his life averaged what Kawhi is averaging. Currently, is averaging 4 less PPG on worse percentages.

How does that happen if he's much better offensively?

[FkLA]

Also:

record for points in a quarter
60 points in 29 minutes
Higher career game total points

gots like you love to cherry pick games to say you're right

[unleashbaynes]

Hmm lets see.

Kawhi, 1 finals MVP

got, 0 Finals MVPs



Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[ElNono]

ST is never wrong, tbqh

[DMC]

Except for the simple fact that one does it for preservation. The other because he's not capable of more. One's career high average is 30 PPG, the other's 22 PPG. Stop being so damn stupid.

That's your opinion. Klay has never been the 1st option. You really think Klay Thompson can't average more per game than he's averaging as a 3rd option? Doesn't just saying that make you feel even more stupid? Just look at Kawhi's numbers to see how stupid that is, comparing his "formative" years to his 1st option years.

All that and yet he's never in his life averaged what Kawhi is averaging. Currently, is averaging 4 less PPG on worse percentages.

He's never been 1st option. You said it yourself, Klay is 3rd option and was 2nd at best last year when Kawhi was 1st and still Klay matched him in ppg.

How does that happen if he's much better offensively?

Not 1st option on offense. How many times do we have to go down this road? Last time Klay had 30 (33) shots in a game he scored 60 pts. Leonard's personal best is 41pts on 30 shots.

A guy who has shown he can score that fast as to set a single quarter record and put in 60pts in 29 minutes, that's a scorer. Leonard is a good scorer as well, but this is the 1st season he's taken that much of a scoring load onto his shoulders, and we're not even at the break and you're already proclaiming him better offensively than Klay.

[DMC]

Hmm lets see.

Kawhi, 1 finals MVP

got, 0 Finals MVPs



Hmmmmmmmmmmm

That would also go for Steph Curry, ergo Tony Parker > Steph Curry.

Kawhi = AI

Both have Finals MVPs.

[UZER]

ST is never wrong, tbqh

Of course not. Both sides of an argument are always presented...usually by an alt.

[unleashbaynes]

That would also go for Steph Curry, ergo Tony Parker > Steph Curry.

Kawhi = AI

Both have Finals MVPs.

Tony Parker has had a better career than that chucker, and the AI argument is re ed considering he doesn't even start and has never had a season like Kawhi is having right now, tbh.

[DAF86]

And let's not ignore the fact that you said Klaynus is a 'much better offensive player'. I see you trying to move the goalposts by just using the term scorer now.

Offensive player would encompass playmaking, another aspect in which Kawhi, despite not being elite at it, is superior than Klaynus. And the fact that you said much better? Wow. Yet in the face of all that you still think you're right and acting pompous/arrogant to boot.

He doesn't think he's right; in fact, he knows he was wrong. He just has a pathological problem that doesn't allow him to accept he was wrong, tbh.

[Killakobe81]

He doesn't think he's right; in fact, he knows he was wrong. He just has a pathological problem that doesn't allow him to accept he was wrong, tbh.

Sounds like Trump it worked for him ...now he is president. Admitting you are wrong is overrated

[DMC]

Tony Parker has had a better career than that chucker, and the AI argument is re ed considering he doesn't even start and has never had a season like Kawhi is having right now, tbh.

It's not even AS break yet some of you are proclaiming KL as being a better offensive player than Klay with half a season worth of data and KL as the 1st option while Klay is now the 3rd option.

Last year in the playoffs Klay averaged over 24ppg as the 2nd option. Kawhi averaged 22ppg as the 1st option. If KL could have averaged 24 instead of 22, perhaps San Antonio, not the Thunder, faces GS. Klay went off on the Thunder and fueled one of the greatest comebacks of all time. Some of you seem to think every time he does something like that it's a fluke.

Look at the list of players in NBA history who have scored 60 in a game. Now point out which ones weren't great offensive players. Next find how many have scored 30 in a quarter. Again..

[unleashbaynes]

Must be extremely difficult to score when Steph is having an all time season and everyone is paying attention to him.

Meanwhile Kawhi has the responsibility of guarding every team's best player and still manages to score efficiently. When was the last time Thompson went for 30+ in 6 straight games?


It's not about volume. It's about consistency. Which Kawhi has proven that he can do.

[DMC]

Must be extremely difficult to score when Steph is having an all time season and everyone is paying attention to him.

Meanwhile Kawhi has the responsibility of guarding every team's best player and still manages to score efficiently. When was the last time Thompson went for 30+ in 6 straight games?


It's not about volume. It's about consistency. Which Kawhi has proven that he can do.

This sounds like progress of a kind. You at least admit that it was easy for Klay to score. No one is saying Klay is a better player than Kawhi, that would be stupid. He's far from it. However he's a better offensive player than Kawhi meaning he can put points on the board faster than Kawhi. You cannot ignore the fact that the Spurs have LMA, Pau, David Lee and Danny Green, all offensive threats, and they have Tony Parker who is still somewhat a small threat (though no small). Then you have Murray scoring 24 points as a rookie PG. What allowed that? Was it the fact that everyone else sprinting back enables the PG to have single coverage that he can step around?

It's about the ability to produce both volume and consistency. Averaging 24ppg in the playoffs when you went 7 games in the Finals is pretty good. Kawhi never averaged that many in the playoffs and in fact he's only averaged higher than Klay this year, for half a season, as a 1st option while Klay is a 3rd option (as stated multiple times by Fkla). 3rd option doesn't mean you don't have anyone defending you. It means 3rd option on offense, meaning plays are necessarily created for you.

Some here see Klay as a rich man's Gallanari as if all he does is shoot the spot up 3. Many of you haven't watched the games or if you have you only watch Steph and Durant. Klay is a of a scorer.

[DMC]

He doesn't think he's right; in fact, he knows he was wrong. He just has a pathological problem that doesn't allow him to accept he was wrong, tbh.

All of you move the goal posts any time I kick the ball.

You'll wait until you get some results from the season and say you were right, but what do you have right now that says you're right? Everything you've offered I've debunked by simply applying your reasoning to other situations. You use special pleading but I only work with facts.

[FkLA]

That's your opinion. Klay has never been the 1st option. You really think Klay Thompson can't average more per game than he's averaging as a 3rd option? Doesn't just saying that make you feel even more stupid? Just look at Kawhi's numbers to see how stupid that is, comparing his "formative" years to his 1st option years.

Wait, so you because I use 'only half a season' to show that Kawhi is a superior offensive player yet you're playing the what-if game with your argument? So IF Klaynus was capable of being a first option (he isn't) he would average more points, his percentages would go up and be as good or better than Kawhi's, and his team wouldn't be Love's Timberwolves all because you say so?

Also stop with your ty attempts at trying to correlate things in order to boost your argument. The reason Kawhi is a much better scorer now compared to his formative years is because of how much he's grown as a player (bad shooter out of college to elite NBA shooter now). Trying to attribute it to him becoming a first option in order to claim Klaynus would see a similar uptick is plain re ed.

He's never been 1st option. You said it yourself, Klay is 3rd option and was 2nd at best last year when Kawhi was 1st and still Klay matched him in ppg.

Another great example of you being intellectually dishonest because your argument is . Typically, a second or third option will see significantly less shots than a first option but that isn't the case in this comparison. Klaynus averaged more FGAs than Kawhi last year. He's averaging the same amount this year. Klaynus is also basically shooting the same amount as he was last year--he hasn't seen a drop-off because KD arrived. We've already gone over this.

I'm sure you'll also once again cry about FTAs, as if somehow it's Kawhi's fault that Klaynus isn't anywhere near as good at attacking the rim as he is.

Not 1st option on offense. How many times do we have to go down this road? Last time Klay had 30 (33) shots in a game he scored 60 pts. Leonard's personal best is 41pts on 30 shots.

Which is exactly why this comparison is re ed in the first place. You can't just give him the benefit of the doubt that he can be an efficient first option on an elite team like Leonard has already shown.

Who were the opponents in Klay's 60 point game and Kawhi's 41 point game?

A guy who has shown he can score that fast as to set a single quarter record and put in 60pts in 29 minutes, that's a scorer. Leonard is a good scorer as well, but this is the 1st season he's taken that much of a scoring load onto his shoulders, and we're not even at the break and you're already proclaiming him better offensively than Klay.

It's hilarious that you just accused me of cherry picking the CLE game, yet you continue to cite two whole games for what is a scorer.

KD has never scored 37 in a quarter or scored 60 points ever much less in 29 minutes. Is Klaynus more of a scorer than him too?

[FkLA]

All of you move the goal posts any time I kick the ball.

You'll wait until you get some results from the season and say you were right, but what do you have right now that says you're right? Everything you've offered I've debunked by simply applying your reasoning to other situations. You use special pleading but I only work with facts.

You realize I can use your ty strategy to 'debunk' your ty argument too, right? I just don't do it because it's stupid and illogical, moron.


Higher career average/More career points (in same time span)- Kemba Walker has a higher career average as well. Is he a better scorer than Kawhi too?
record for points in a quarter- MJ never did it. Is KT a better scorer than MJ too?
60 points in 29 minutes-KD never did it. Is KT a better scorer than KD too?
Higher career game total points-KD has never scored 60. Is KT a better scorer than KD too?

Debunked!
Dance for me some more!

[DMC]

You realize I can use your ty strategy to 'debunk' your ty argument too, right? I just don't do it because it's stupid and illogical, moron.


Higher career average/More career points (in same time span)- Kemba Walker has a higher career average as well. Is he a better scorer than Kawhi too?
record for points in a quarter- MJ never did it. Is KT a better scorer than MJ too?
60 points in 29 minutes-KD never did it. Is KT a better scorer than KD too?
Higher career game total points-KD has never scored 60. Is KT a better scorer than KD too?

Debunked!
Dance for me some more!

1. It's your claim you're debunking, idiot If career ppg doesn't matter, why does season ppg?
2. No one ever did it, that's why it's a record idiot
3. You're still screwing your own pooch
4. Things you used to say KL was better you just debunked!

You bumped these threads when KL scored 41 points in OT like it's never been done.

[FkLA]

1. It's your claim you're debunking, idiot If career ppg doesn't matter, why does season ppg?
2. No one ever did it, that's why it's a record idiot
3. You're still screwing your own pooch
4. Things you used to say KL was better you just debunked!

You bumped these threads when KL scored 41 points in OT like it's never been done.

Wrong once again, moron:

Enough of your little ty deflections. State your case for Klaynus being a much better offensive player.

You've ignored everything I've listed.

Higher career average
More career points (in same time span)
record for points in a quarter
60 points in 29 minutes
Higher career game total points
3rd option still averaging 21ppg
KL was basically 1st option last year and averaged 21ppg.
Everyone ahead of him in ppg is basically a 1a or 1b option on their team.

Debunked!