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    how was tony's MRI? is he out tonight too?

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    how was tony's MRI? is he out tonight too?
    Will kawhi hit 50 today?

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    TP did have Speedy Claxton, who bailed his ass out in '03, tbh.

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    Tony with his usual disappearing act.

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    His getting in the lane is great but I still don't trust his ball handling and outside shooting come playoff crunch time.


    I do like Pop throwing him into the starting lineup. It's like pushing him into the pool

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    Will kawhi hit 50 today?

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    Speedy didn't play most of that season, while TP carried the PG load. TP was so good that there were people mentioning Tony as FMVP.

    Speedy hit a couple shots late in one playoff game, then disappeared from the league. Tony when on starting for 10+ years.


    That's exactly right. But to be fair, they have a point. I mean, it's not like the Spurs have any other PG's as good as Speedy Claxton on the roster. I mean, if Murray found himself struggling in a game, the Spurs couldn't just go to their bench and find another player to come in and settle things down the way Speedy did in that game.


    I'm not saying that Murray should take over as the starter - just that not many people thought that a 19 year-old Tony Parker was going to take the starting job away from Antonio Daniels at the beginning of the season. , Daniels had played over 2,000 minutes the season before. The Spurs were pretty high on Tony back then, and I get the impression they're pretty high on Murray. I don't think it's out of the question for them to push him to see how he responds. And if he keeps playing like he has these last couple of games? Yeah, they could make a move with the future in mind.

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    If the spurs have that much faith in him, then start him next year. Tony off the bench would be an awesome one two punch.

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    Sit Tony until the second half of the RRT

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    I'm cautiously optimistic. This kid can penetrate and finish. Very long for his position. Seems like a willing passer and has flashed decent court vision. Defended Kyrie pretty damn well. I was yelling for Pop to put him in while Patty was getting abused. Seems to have good mechanics on his shot, but it's not quite there yet. Time with Chip can help that.

    Had a couple of dumb rookie things happen. Turned the ball over a few times, and not sure how well he can handle a trap or double team.


    Pop never trusts rookies and he's let this kid start twice now. He cut Nico, who was playing nicely, to make room for him. That's the biggest sign to me. He is winning over the coaches.

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    Sit Tony until the second half of the RRT

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    Murray the bed tonight.

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    Murray the bed tonight.
    We talked about it in the game thread. It's something pretty much all rookies have to go through. They came at him hard, and he just got overwhelmed. He's going to have to learn to see it coming, and make the right passes. Once he makes a couple of teams pay for over-committing on him, they'll quit.

    But, yeah, this was not a good game for him.

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    Meh, it happens. It's his reality check moment. He'll be fine.

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    Every kid s the bed. It's part of growing up.

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    Every kid s the bed. It's part of growing up.

    There's an image I wish I could erase from my brain.

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    But he still wasn't the turnover machine others tried to make him out to be.

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    I'm glad the worst team in the league handed him his lunch. Time to go back to work, young man...
    Keep this game simple. Run the plays and attack when you see the good opening.

    The main thing: Keep calm. Keep control of your dribble.

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    Past 3 games:

    Avg: 25 MPG - 14 points, 3.3 rebounds, 3.7 assists on 57% shooting, 43% from three and only 1.6 TOs.

    Happy he had a small slice of humble pie tonight-- which is essential for growth.

    Pretty impressive past week or so. Future is very bright.

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    this performance had Pop written all over it...he suddenly stop attacking until the 4th and was generally not allowed to be involved with the offense for the first couple of quarters.

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    Speedy didn't play most of that season, while TP carried the PG load. TP was so good that there were people mentioning Tony as FMVP.

    Speedy hit a couple shots late in one playoff game, then disappeared from the league. Tony when on starting for 10+ years.
    That's exactly right. But to be fair, they have a point. I mean, it's not like the Spurs have any other PG's as good as Speedy Claxton on the roster. I mean, if Murray found himself struggling in a game, the Spurs couldn't just go to their bench and find another player to come in and settle things down the way Speedy did in that game.


    I'm not saying that Murray should take over as the starter - just that not many people thought that a 19 year-old Tony Parker was going to take the starting job away from Antonio Daniels at the beginning of the season. , Daniels had played over 2,000 minutes the season before. The Spurs were pretty high on Tony back then, and I get the impression they're pretty high on Murray. I don't think it's out of the question for them to push him to see how he responds. And if he keeps playing like he has these last couple of games? Yeah, they could make a move with the future in mind.
    To take this a bit farther-
    2003 finals
    TP 16, 21, 26, 3, 14, 4
    SC 2, 5, 4, 10 3, 13

    There is a fair amount of revisionist history about 2003. In Game 6 everybody remembers Jax 3 pointers in the second half, but forget the 6 turnovers in the first half.

    It's a little unfair to compare Tony and Murray as Rookies, although similar in age. Tony had been playing at a much higher level prior to his rookie season. French league, National team, both Senior and Junior. I think he was also a bit more physically mature.
    So far I'm cautiously optimistic. His size can allow him to be paired with Patty. Looks to be able to get into the paint. Shot needs work, but not horrible.

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    It's a little unfair to compare Tony and Murray as Rookies, although similar in age. Tony had been playing at a much higher level prior to his rookie season. French league, National team, both Senior and Junior. I think he was also a bit more physically mature.
    So far I'm cautiously optimistic. His size can allow him to be paired with Patty. Looks to be able to get into the paint. Shot needs work, but not horrible.
    Fair point about the experience Tony had before coming to the Spurs. I'm not so sure about the physical maturity. I could look at some old pictures, but my memory of Tony is of a skinny kid, a lot like Murray. Murray is taller, so he may be a little skinnier.

    I know better than to read too much into Pop's personnel moves. But if he's just trying to get Murray some minutes to improve, it seems like coming off the bench would be the way to go. You have to at least wonder if he sees starter's genes there, and he's throwing him into the deep end to force him to swim. It does sort of remind me of some of the stories Tony and Pop have told about Tony's first year or two.

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    I think the starting lineup of Aldridge, Dedmon, Anderson and Green put too much pressure on Murray. He needs to be weened in with Manu or Kawhi on the floor with him unless it's garbage time.

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    Murray being a 2 takes away his strengths.

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    Not ready, but i'm happy with his floater (it's absolutely money) and his 3p development. There are only a few players in the NBA with that 1st step. It's special

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