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Old boy's streaky. That's the truth bud.
lol, I know you're being sarcastic. He doesn't suck, but he is very frustrating to me. I hope he can hit a lot more of those open shots with consistency going forward.
Old boy's streaky. That's the truth bud.
You're ing insane.
Danny Green had the best 3 point performance of any players in finals history.
Yeah, hot, streak shooting. Then he cooled right off in game 6 and 7. It's also not the best anymore. Curry broke that record.
It wasn't coincidence, remember this happened:
"I can’t believe he’s still open at this moment of this series. They are still trapping me and doubling Timmy, but leaving Danny wide open. If you are going to leave Danny wide open, he’s going to make threes..."
And Bosh's response to Enrique's:
"He won't be open tonight. We'll see how he shoots with somebody always on him"
Not to beat Green down any more but I'd rather have a 35% shooter (from 3) that's going to hit 35% of his shots across the board than a 45% shooter that has a 50% chance of shooting less than 20%. Especially in the playoffs. I still stand by my comment about his mechanics.
That being said, Green is far from useless.
He still got some open looks and missed them. Just 2 or 3 three pointers in either of those last two games would have been huge. He wasn't open as much, but he still got some looks that he missed.
So are 50% 3pt shooters. Most are more likely to miss however so your scenario would be a huge improvement over the best in the game tbh
Well that's a great idea. Who did you have in mind? Why don't you tell us the name of a player who shoots 35% across the board.
While your at it, have a look at Danny's game logs. Because he's only shot .250 or lower in 8 out of 39 games. Not a 50% chance of shooting below .200, like you claim. More like a 20% chance of shooting .250 or less. So where did you come up with that?
J.J. Red has shot .250 or less 10 times out of 41 games. Channing Frye, 10 times out of 39 games. And they are two of the more consistent (low variance) 3P shooters on the leaderboard. If you take a look at some of the logs, you'll see that Danny is actually LESS streaky than most of the guys on the 3P% leader board. Streakiness is sort of the nature of 3P shooting. So if you mean that you'd rather have Steph Curry shooting 3's instead of Danny, just say so. I'm sure you won't get a whole lot of argument over that.
I stand by my comment that you don't know a ing thing about basketball.
In before goalpost shift. "It was just a figure of speech you guys. You guys. You guyyyyyyzzzzzzz."
Danny went bananas in Game Seven of 2015. You literally could have picked any other game in that series and had an argument.
He missed at the end of the game. I thought he had a good look or two, unfortunately, didn't make them. I know that was the only game he showed up in, but that doesn't wipe out his misses at the end of the game. You give him a good look, there's no guarantee that it will go in. You give an elite shooter like Kerr those same looks, they're more likely to go in. This isn't a percentage thing.
If any of you guys can shoot the ball, you'll know what I'm talking about.
That's totally a percentage thing. That's completely captured by stats. You don't need to know anything about shooting to either confirm or debunk your argument.
Are you seriously discussing the merits and streakiness of a shooter, who has a career playoff 3 point shooting % higher than Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Kevin Durant, Mike Miller, Ray Allen and Kyle Korver?
I did look at his game log and the swings weren't as large as I thought. I still think they deviate more than other top shooters. I don't like Curry. Can't stand him. But I think if took the same % of wide open shots as Danny, he'd have a higher % if makes. Same with Klay.
I don't do that. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I was right about the open shots and I still think I'm right about him having a higher deviation than other shooters. If I have time, I'll run some statistics.
Do you have a source that computes the variance? I'd appreciate being able to go to a site that's already got it figured out.
I ran the standard deviations for Green, Curry, Klay, Koerver, and Belli.
Curry : .157
Klay : .218
Green : .242
Koerver : .266
Belli : .278
These are based on 3 point shots.
So he's a less consistent shooter than Curry and Klay. Not even taking into account that he shots more wide open shots than any of the above.
The bottom line is that I'd like for him to hit his wide open shots more consistently. A wide open three is not a difficult shot. So is it his mechanics? Or is it mental? I don't know.
As I've said, I like Green and his hustle and defense. But I sure wouldn't say he's a feared 3 point shooter.
I should have said what I did less aggressively. My fault. But, yeah, that's pretty much what I was saying. Once you get past Curry and Thompson, the rest are pretty streaky. Danny is actually more steady than most, even though it doesn't feel like it a lot of the time. And he's not getting/taking enough of them, but that's a different issue.
As for Curry and Klay - is it mental or mechanics? Some of both. Those two guys are sons of talented NBA players, so some of it is genetic. They also grew up with it, so it's as much a part of them as brushing their teeth. That's got to make a difference.
Danny clearly isn't making as many 3's as he used to, but it has more to do with how many he's taking, since his percentage is still pretty damned solid. I'm not even going to step into the minefield of why he's not taking as many. Too many sacred cows here, and I just don't have the desire to argue for the sake of arguing.
One thing that I think hurts the Spurs' perimeter shooting (that nobody else seems to mind too much) is their passing. When a guy like Danny is squared up and has the shot measured, and can take the pass and step right into it, he's going to make a lot more of them. Too often, our perimeter shooters have to lean or even take a step sideways to gather the ball. Then they have to turn, square up, and look the shot up again. And by that time, a defender has often had time to close. Danny, in particular, is a lot less effective when he's had to move a little sideways before taking a 3. Watch him in transition, when he can drive straight toward the basket, stop, and step straight into the shot. It's always been a strength for him. Sometimes the pass is wide because a guard over-penetrates and doesn't have a direct passing lane anymore. Sometime (too much of the time) they are just sloppy with their passes. It's no different that a QB who can hit a receiver in stride vs. one who makes the receiver turn and reach for the ball.
I'm pretty sure Danny's 3P% has dropped over the last month, which means he hasn't been shooting it as well, and that's probably part of what you're feeling. But in general, his consistency at the 3P line is still as good or better than most. We remember the misses that could have been game winners more than the ones in the middle of a game. They all count the same 3 points. But if you want him to be like Steph or Klay, I hope you have the secret of how they do it. You could make a fortune.
Okay, so we all agree that Danny Green is useless trash?
LOL. He's only averaging 7.5 PPG. A defensive big man who's getting a lot of rebounds and some blocks? People don't get too upset. A perimeter defender doesn't have a of a lot to show. But he's actually putting up almost as many 3PA per game as Kawhi, and hitting almost the same percentage. He's not useless trash. His inability to put the ball on the floor and get to the rim and/or the FT line is a pretty serious drawback. But good luck getting someone better on the Spurs' budget, without making the roster weaker as a whole.
Simmons is getting an invite to the AS game. Pop could always move him to the SL.
Or not.
Yes. Great thread bro.... couldn't have done one better myself. It was time Green deserved a calling out thread
Then "I Can't Believe They're Leaving Him Wide Open" happened.
I think you make some good points on Klay and Curry. And I think that they have the ability to alter their shots based on coverage or which way they're moving, etc. My guess is this comes from taking a lot of shots in a lot of situations over a long period of time. So that they don't have to be squared up to have a good chance at making the basket. And I think Green is opposite in that (like you said) needs to be squared up and able to step straight into the shot. He doesn't seem to be comfortable taking a shot fading one way or the other. Or having to double clutch.
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