" Left’s betrayal and abandonment of the working class in favor of building personal wealth and power. Anyone who denies this is still in the fatal grip of the Left’s Great Con."
and the right? how does, will Trash and the Repugs "save" the working class?
Yoni is citing a marxist to bash the left? Him and Darrin need to get a room and read what they post before posting it.
Maybe you just read the bolded part only? I count 8 references to Marx in this alleged 'small' article.
Not a knock on you, thanks for sharing. I completely disagree with the construction of the analysis, though.
And Marx's 19th century theories have been disproven time and again. The US is empirical proof that the rise of the proletariat is not inevitable. Most countries show this.
I don't see the alleged 'collapse' either, tbh, at least not yet... social democracies are doing pretty well... you could argue Brexit and Trump as the 'shocking' events, which, in all honesty, are more populist than right wing/conservative.
In the overall though, they look more like outliers...
Outliers are isolated incidents. I have no interest in pigeonholing into political categorization but the success of self described neo-fascists in several western democracies speaks more to a trend.
LOL Colllapse.
This was a wakeup call. If anyone thinks they will just go the way of the dodo, then you dont know politics.
Fair enough. I personally think it's too early to speak of 'collapse'. Time will tell if this is just the usual pendulum swing, or if there's more to it. The Democratic party in the US certainly has a lot of cleanup to do, that much is certain.
But "collapse of the left"? I don't buy it. Not right now.
Wow a solid post I'm surprised
no, Trash and BREXIT were both primarily right wing emotional revolts by white male nationalists (they exist in EVERY country), xenophobes, racists, misogynists, and by 100% lying, as we saw from Trash and as admitted by LaFarge, who said he modeled the Brexit campaign on Trash's, emotions and lies.
Other countries have intense, but minority right wing racists, activated by the influx of USA's refugee crisis for BigOil.
USA policy is "We create the for BigOil, we can't finish the , so other countries eat our ".
"Why Do They Hate Us?"
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Oh I agree with you about a collapse particularly from the OP's reasoning. I was just speaking more to the rise of the far right being an outlier. And that has not been a part of the pendulum swing in the US since before WW2. In that sense I guess it is an outlier.
I'm just trying to figure out where it is coming from. I don't see it coming from millennials. Were there just a lot of closet fascists amongst X and Boomers?
You forgot phobes and Islamophobes. Perhaps a rejection of this boutons view of America (which is pretty mainstream on the left these days) is why Trump won?
I don't think it's just far right. There's a strong anti-globalism undercurrent too, and at least Trump effectively worked the protectionist angle in areas like the rust belt. Those kind of positions are popular, but fairly distant from the typical right wing/conservatism/neocon. That's why I think it's premature to frame this into a left/right argument.
I'll just bet you do.
It's a fact that all the typical, 'model' conservatives (Cruz, Rubio, etc) lost when faced against populism/outsider. Just like Shillary was a terrible candidate that was a well known globalist, neocon warhawk that guys like boutons secretly abhor.
It was a show, and Trump won. I think boxing it into left, right, facism, is a incomplete, premature read.
Or - and here's a crazy idea - globalism has been the extreme position all along, and people who disagree with you aren't actually "far-right" "fascists."
My major objection to Hillary was her neocon-itude, her pro-war/pro-regime change which produced, Iraq, Libya, Syria.
The other was that she was totally owned by, subscribed to the New Democrat/Third Way bull , which is nothing by corruption by BigFinance/BigDonor.
That said, she was STILL tons preferable to Trash and the sociopathic, disastrous establishment Repug platform coming down the pike full-speed.
(which includes ALSO neocons, "real men" who want to attack Iran, either for the oil, or as revenge for the Tehran embassy, or why not both?).
Here's a hint, dim: I never said all people that disagree with me were. Have fun with your typical strawman though.
Trump won, and I'm not here to re-litigate that issue. But talk about Trump's win in broad strokes as though it is a manifestation of some huge social movements that signal widespread desire to change to our political and social infrastructure seems a stretch. In reality, Trump's win (for all of his bluster) was still a pretty narrow one. Had .1% of the Michigan electorate, .3% of the Pennsylvania electorate, and .5% of the Florida electorate -- barely 80,000 total voters in the 3 states combined -- voted for someone other than Trump, we're not talking about the demise of the Left at all.
To be clear, he won, and that's that. The point, though, is that his win - while clear - was pretty far from decisive.
The test of the Left's vitality isn't the 2016 election in which it's flawed candidate and strategy cost it (all things considered, and it's at least plausible that someone who had said everything that Hillary Clinton said in the last campaign but had a different name might have won, even against Trump). It will be whether it can muster enough energy and show enough strength in 2018 and 2020 to erode the GOP's majorities.
Sure but fascist parties are still getting the most play worldwide they have had since the 1940s. That doesn't preclude it being more than that. Just the worst.
Ok. Does a candidate further to the left, i.e. Bernie, beat Trump?
Who knows?
I do think that Bernoe's populism would have appealed to a significant part of the electorate that went for Trump.
Holy . It's capable of a reasonable take
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