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    President Trump's freeze on immigration from seven mostly Muslim countries cites the potential threat of terrorism. But here's the twist — it doesn't include any countries from which radicalized Muslims have actually killed Americans in the U.S. since Sept. 11, 2001.

    The president's executive action, which he signed Friday at the Pentagon, applies to these countries: Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Iraq and Sudan.

    Yet no Muslim extremist from any of these places has carried out a fatal attack in the U.S. in more than two decades.

    In contrast, here are the countries of origin of radicalized Muslims who carried out deadly attacks in the U.S., beginning on Sept. 11, 2001: Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, United Arab Emirates, Russia and Pakistan.
    http://www.npr.org/sections/parallel...attacks-in-u-s

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    It's only a start. The list will be added to as Trump deems fit.

    Trump has the con, hole.

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    Hilarous, and of course, BigOil's Saudi Arabia excluded.

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    Idiots.

    Those are the countries the refugees are coming from, which have already cause havoc in other countries.

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    The NY Slimes has a link with the full text:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/u...der-trump.html

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    NPR claims Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Iraq and Sudan as being banned.

    Only Syria is listed in the executive order.

    Are the Trump hating pundits in the media lying to us again?

    Another reason to stop funding the lying NPR...

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    NPR claims Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Iraq and Sudan as being banned.

    Only Syria is listed in the executive order.

    Are the Trump hating pundits in the media lying to us again?

    Another reason to stop funding the lying NPR...
    I think you're mistaken, WC. Iran has already banned us from entering their country in response to the Executive Order. + they say that Muslim extremists are really mad now and are going to really cut our heads off from now on.

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    I think you're mistaken, WC. Iran has already banned us from entering their country in response to the Executive Order. + they say that Muslim extremists are really mad now and are going to really cut our heads off from now on.
    Where is it in that executive order?

    I linked the text of it.

    Please show me what I missed.

    If Iran and others are already banned, then why is adding Syria to that list wrong?

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    Where is it in that executive order?

    I linked the text of it.

    Please show me what I missed.

    If Iran and others are already banned, then why is adding Syria to that list wrong?
    I haven't looked at the EO. I'm just repeating the news about Iran.

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    The case, United States v. Texas, No. 15-674, concerned a 2014 executive action by the president to allow as many as five million unauthorized immigrants who were the parents of citizens or of lawful permanent residents to apply for a program that would spare them from deportation and provide them with work permits. The program was called Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents, or DAPA.

    Mr. Obama has said he took the action after years of frustration with Republicans in Congress who had repeatedly refused to support bipartisan Senate legislation to update immigration laws. A coalition of 26 states, led by Texas, promptly challenged the plan, accusing the president of ignoring administrative procedures for changing rules and of abusing the power of his office by cir venting Congress.

    “Today’s decision keeps in place what we have maintained from the very start: One person, even a president, cannot unilaterally change the law,” Ken Paxton, the Texas attorney general, said in a statement after the ruling. “This is a major setback to President Obama’s attempts to expand executive power, and a victory for those who believe in the separation of powers and the rule of law.”
    The degree to which the positions of modern-day Republicans are founded upon core principles of the role of government and the power of its branches is really a sight to behold.

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    NPR claims Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Iraq and Sudan as being banned.

    Only Syria is listed in the executive order.

    Are the Trump hating pundits in the media lying to us again?

    Another reason to stop funding the lying NPR...
    NPR is not lying; you're just choosing not to understand

    Trump's executive order prohibits refugees from Syria. It also prohibits travel from the 7 countries identified by NPR.

    Syrian refugees are banned from entry until further notice, the order says.
    Nationals of six further countries, including Iran and Iraq, will be banned from entering the US for 90 days
    The entire US refugee admissions programme is suspended for 120 days, and a lower cap on numbers introduced.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38781420

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    If Iran and others are already banned, then why is adding Syria to that list wrong?
    because the USA, esp the Repugs on behalf of BigOil, is responsible for ing up the M/E, directly responsible for Ms of dead, maimed, homeless, refugees, fleeing the the Repugs created.

    if you can find any empathy in your black rightwingnutjob heart: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/exodus/

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    It's only a start. The list will be added to as Trump deems fit.

    Trump has the con, hole.
    not disputed, though I'm amused along with FWD to observe how Republicans lionize government by executive fiat now that their guy sits in the WH.

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    at that twink Clipper Nation

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    leaving countries where has hotels or golf courses off the list.

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    leaving countries where has hotels or golf courses off the list.

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    Trash Executive Order Could Block 500,000 Legal US Residents From Returning to the US From Trips

    expected to have substantial effects on hundreds of thousands of people from these countries who already live in the U.S. under green cards or on temporary student or employee visas.

    Since the order's travel ban applies to all "aliens" -- a term that encompasses anyone who isn't an American citizen -- it could bar those with current visas or even green cards from returning to the U.S. from trips abroad, said Stephen Legomsky, a former chief counsel to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services under President Obama.


    "It's extraordinarily cruel," he said.


    The order bans the "entry" of foreigners from those countries and specifically exempts from the ban those who hold certain diplomatic visas.


    Not included in the exemption, however, are those who hold long-term temporary visas -- such as students or employees -- who have the right to live in the United States for years at a time, as well as to travel abroad and back as they please.


    "If applied literally, this provision would bar even those visitors who had made temporary trips abroad, for example a student who went home on winter break and is now returning,"

    About 25,000 citizens from the seven countries specified in Trump's ban have been issued student or employment visas in the past three years,

    On top of that, almost 500,000 people from the seven countries have received green cards in the past decade, allowing them to live and work in the United States indefinitely. Legally speaking, green card holders are considered aliens.

    Citizens of Iran and Iraq far outnumber those from the other five countries among green card and visa holders. In the past 10 years, Iranian and Iraqi citizens have received over 250,000 green cards.

    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/3...-us-from-trips



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    Hours after Trump’s Muslim ban, Texas mosque burned to the ground

    The Islamic Center of Victoria, which supports roughly 100 local Muslims in the community roughly 125 miles from Houston, was completely gutted by the fire, and its leader watched helplessly as their mosque was destroyed.

    “It’s a house of worship,” said Islamic Center of Victoria president Shahid Hashmi,

    http://usuncut.com/news/trump-muslim-ban-mosque-fire/




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    Ex-Breitbart Alt-Nazi promoter Steve Bannon is author of Trump's executive orders




    Two of Donald Trump’s senior advisors — neither of whom has any previous government or legal experience — have reportedly been writing executive orders without any input from the agencies they would affect.

    Aides told Politico that Steve Bannon, the president’s chief strategist, and Stephen Miller, the senior White House advisor for policy, have made almost no effort to consult with federal agency lawyers or lawmakers as they wrote executive orders.

    Bannon, the former chairman of Breitbart, and Miller, a Republican political operative who’s written most of Trump’s major speeches, are writing many of the orders based on ideas that came from transition officials or “landing teams” who weren’t working in the White House.


    The orders have come so quickly, and from seemingly out of nowhere, that aides sometimes aren’t even sure which actions Trump will sign until they cross his desk.


    The quick pace gives the appearance of momentum as the Trump administration gets up and running, but legal experts are concerned the White House is issuing “flawed orders that might be unworkable, unenforceable or even illegal,” the website reported.
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    GOP lawmakers complained they weren’t sure whether some of Trump’s executive orders, including his action to start the repeal of Obamacare, might conflict with existing laws because they hadn’t reviewed them.

    Others have pointed out that Trump’s executive order on immigration includes only vague language on where funding would come from and does not consider the role of Congress in approving those payments.

    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017...ssia-is-guilty



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    How, though, did the Trump administration choose these seven Muslim-majority countries? The truth is it didn't: The countries were chosen during Barack Obama's presidency.

    According to the draft copy of Trump's executive order, the countries whose citizens are barred entirely from entering the United States is based on a bill that Obama signed into law in December 2015.


    Obama signed the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act as part of an omnibus spending bill. The legislation restricted access to the Visa Waiver Program, which allows citizens from 38 countries who are visiting the United States for less than 90 days to enter without a visa.

    So, in a nuts , Obama restricted visa waivers for those seven Muslim-majority countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen — and now, Trump is looking to bar immigration and visitors from the same list of countries.

    https://mic.com/articles/166845/the-...administration

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    Ex-Breitbart Alt-Nazi promoter Steve Bannon is author of Trump's executive orders




    Two of Donald Trump’s senior advisors — neither of whom has any previous government or legal experience — have reportedly been writing executive orders without any input from the agencies they would affect.

    Aides told Politico that Steve Bannon, the president’s chief strategist, and Stephen Miller, the senior White House advisor for policy, have made almost no effort to consult with federal agency lawyers or lawmakers as they wrote executive orders.

    Bannon, the former chairman of Breitbart, and Miller, a Republican political operative who’s written most of Trump’s major speeches, are writing many of the orders based on ideas that came from transition officials or “landing teams” who weren’t working in the White House.


    The orders have come so quickly, and from seemingly out of nowhere, that aides sometimes aren’t even sure which actions Trump will sign until they cross his desk.


    The quick pace gives the appearance of momentum as the Trump administration gets up and running, but legal experts are concerned the White House is issuing “flawed orders that might be unworkable, unenforceable or even illegal,” the website reported.
    ...
    GOP lawmakers complained they weren’t sure whether some of Trump’s executive orders, including his action to start the repeal of Obamacare, might conflict with existing laws because they hadn’t reviewed them.

    Others have pointed out that Trump’s executive order on immigration includes only vague language on where funding would come from and does not consider the role of Congress in approving those payments.

    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017...ssia-is-guilty


    Yep, that's what Bannon told Trump:::"Get me in there and I'll do the wet work."

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    not disputed, though I'm amused along with FWD to observe how Republicans lionize government by executive fiat now that their guy sits in the WH.
    I readily admit it's piss pot way to do it, but, whats good for the goose/Obama is sauce for the gander/Trump.

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    It's only a start. The list will be added to as Trump deems fit.

    Trump has the con, hole.

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