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    If money was all equal...then a lot of what you just said would make sense. Patty making 50 million has a lot to do the situation and my opinion. We will see what PATFO thinks is best in 5 months.

    And a size/ length advantage is a huge edge. You think Murray can get off and be as efficient with his floaters with a 6'6"-6-8" player defending him? All shots are contested a little better vs a longer/ athletic players. My opinion has nothing to do with posting up.
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    I think we're getting a little too excited with Simmons having athletic ability since as Spurs fans we're not used to having players who can run and jump. Like Harlem says players like Simmons are a dime a dozen.

    10 million a year? No way in . 3 years 10 million. If I'm wrong that means as some of y'all said he'll finish as the third scorer on this team and he'll earn that big contract. I just don't see it BUT at the same time, if that happens it'll mean that the Spurs win the le which in that case I'd be glad to be wrong about Simmons.

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    If money was all equal...then a lot of what you just said would make sense. Patty making 50 million has a lot to do the situation and my opinion. We will see what PATFO thinks is best in 5 months.

    And a size/ length advantage is a huge edge. You think Murray can get off and be as efficient with his floaters with a 6'6"-6-8" player defending him? All shots are contested a little better vs a longer/ athletic players. My opinion has nothing to do with posting up.
    You don't know that he'll get offered $50 million and even if he does, you don't know that he'll accept. Also, while steep, $12.5M as an AAV (average annual value) isn't insane in '17. It's not like they'd be hamstrung and in the event something significant arises, they shouldn't have much difficulty dumping him if they so choose. Besides, In a year and a half, Ginobili will be retired, Parker will probably be taking a significant pay cut and so too will Gasol, should be continue playing.

    If Murray becomes even close to what you think he will, teams will be putting solid or better defenders, including wing ones, on him, sooner than later and it'll only be easier if he's playing next to Hanga and to a lesser extent Simmons. Whether he primarily defends their shooting guard won't dictate that.

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    I'd rather pay Bertans and Dedmon over Simmons, tbh.

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    If Murray becomes even close to what you think he will, teams will be putting solid or better defenders, including wing ones, on him, sooner than later and it'll only be easier if he's playing next to Hanga and to a lesser extent Simmons. Whether he primarily defends their shooting guard won't dictate that.
    Most teams have their best wing defenders play against the starters. And if Murray is on the floor at that time ( when Pop staggers lineups), the best wing defender will be on Kawhi.

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    There's different variables in place this year for Murray compared to Parker and Kawhi's rookie year.

    When Parker was a rookie, Spurs had just let Avery go and Pop was never big on Antonio Daniels. Spurs had just lost their one play-maker on the perimeter with Derek Anderson going to Portland. Parker was forced into the starting role due to high demand -- Pop really had no choice but to throw Parker in the fire. Murray doesn't have that situation in front of him with Parker and Mills ahead of him. Spurs don't have that desperate need right now -- this year. As for Kawhi, he came in when Spurs desperately needed his size at the wing in the rotation. Jefferson was the only true SF on the roster and he had been a disappointment for the most part. Both Parker and Kawhi came into desperate situations for their position, it's not the same with Murray.

    Also, Simmons has played the back up SF this year -- not SG. It's clear the Spurs haven't had Murray as a SF or a wing this year. All of his minutes (sans maybe 5) have been at the point guard.
    Good distinction based on context at the time.

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    Pay the man. Showed his potential tonight with no Manure getting all the touches

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    All depends on what the HOTS thinks tbh.

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    Pay the man. Showed his potential tonight with no Manure getting all the touches
    On the offensive end Simmons is learning how to balance his athleticism with playing under control within the system. On the defensive end he is learning how to avoid the cheap fouls and still make some of his spectacular defensive plays. The growth of his confidence is obvious. The more minutes he gets the more comfortable and confident he becomes.

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    On the offensive end Simmons is learning how to balance his athleticism with playing under control within the system. On the defensive end he is learning how to avoid the cheap fouls and still make some of his spectacular defensive plays. The growth of his confidence is obvious. The more minutes he gets the more comfortable and confident he becomes.

    Start keying on him a little. He's been playing some damn good defense. Much better than the beginning of the season, and a whole world better than last year.

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    Start keying on him a little. He's been playing some damn good defense. Much better than the beginning of the season, and a whole world better than last year.
    Exactly. He is not out of position. He isn't reaching to try to overcome poor defensive position. He is "playing defense with his feet" as we used to say.

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    I would give him a similar deal Danny received, (4/40, IIRC)... it would be relatively cheap in today's NBA numbers, and despite the age and whatever, I think the team hasn't found his ceiling yet. He has room to grow, IMO, even just on familiarity with the league, refs, etc.

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    Hopefully he will get enough to have 4 more daughters and play happy for the Spurs.

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    Start keying on him a little. He's been playing some damn good defense. Much better than the beginning of the season, and a whole world better than last year.
    Agreed.

    He's been the most solid wing off the bench in recent weeks, maybe months. The discipline and confidence in his game has been evident. Love his defense and his calm,smarter decisions on offense.

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    Whatever he gets, I'm sure It'll be a dream like for him. To go from having to pay your way into a camp invite, to let's say 4yr/20mil... 3rd yr P.O... How can he beat that!?!

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    Whatever he gets, I'm sure It'll be a dream like for him. To go from having to pay your way into a camp invite, to let's say 4yr/20mil... 3rd yr P.O... How can he beat that!?!
    Spurs will have the non-taxpayer MLE available. (That much, I think, I've got right. I've whiffed several times lately. ) With the annual 4.5% raises, a full MLE contract should be about 4 yr/24M. Unless Simmons gets injured like Patty, or takes a serious step backwards, I don't see Simmons getting less than that. I'd look to that as his floor. Then we see if some scrub team comes calling with some huge offer. There's always a chance that he continues to improve and expand his role before the end of the season, and make a bigger contract almost automatic. People should remember, though, that when Danny got his contract he was a solid, regular starter. Simmons isn't.

    I don't think for a minute that Simmons should take less just to stay here. This one contract changes his life from here on out. I think getting a too-large contract would be the worst thing that could happen to his basketball career, but he would have the luxury of being set for life while he thinks about what he wants to do when he grows up.

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    Hopefully he will get enough to have 4 more daughters and play happy for the Spurs.
    Cold facts.

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    How much will he get? Depends on how many ladies want to know if he is as good an athlete in bed as on the court.

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    How much will he get? Depends on how many ladies want to know if he is as good an athlete in bed as on the court.

    That was my first thought, Bill.


    I was gonna say he'll get all he wants, and 2-3 at a time. But you guys are talking about money.

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    Losing Simmons wouldn't be a big loss, tbh. He's good for highlight reels; but that doesn't make him an above average player.

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    Losing Simmons wouldn't be a big loss, tbh. He's good for highlight reels; but that doesn't make him an above average player.

    SMDH.

    Simmons is making $874K this year. He's earning 18 minutes on one of the best teams in the league. He's worth a of a lot more than he's getting paid. Next year he will get paid more. If he gets offered too much, the Spurs will let him go.

    No, he's not irreplaceable. What are there... maybe 10 irreplaceable players in the league? Beyond that, there are guys who are good values, and guys who are a good fit for the team they're on. Right now, Simmons is both. Next year he won't be a bargain, but he'll still have a lot of knowledge of this system, and of the other players. If the price is reasonable, the Spurs will keep him for sure. If he gets a stupid offer, they will wish him well and move on.

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    He's the Spurs Free Agen I'm most confident he'll be gone..he's played himself out of (non-garbage time) rotation already..Don't think he'll ever develop any consistency in his style of play, and the lack of shooting is going to kill short his career in this league..

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    That first game against the Warriors will probably get him a couple millions more than what he's really worth, tbh.

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    That first game against the Warriors will probably get him a couple millions more than what he's really worth, tbh.
    Don't think he will get more than 3 years/15 millions..

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