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Of course he has to prove he's not done. This is a future contract we're talking about, not a past legacy.
He doesn't have to prove anything...
He just needs to be healthy
Of course he has to prove he's not done. This is a future contract we're talking about, not a past legacy.
I think the argument is that he made more than market this year, so should take less next year (kind of a wink-wink where he makes $7.5mm for each of this year and next instead of $14 and $1mm. That said, he's been terribly underpaid his whole career, so assuming the Spurs are operating above the salary cap next year, they should give him whatever he wants.The minimum?? WTF...
This forum has no respect
Enjoy these games.
My Crystal ball has said he's retiring and I had the same feeling about Tim last season.
It's December
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IF he is healthy Manu in invaluable, you don't seem to realise what he brings...
It's not all about stats, he makes his teammates better, he is a constant threat on offence AND defence, he is an X factor and part of the soul of this team.
You don't find that kind of IQ and passion/will to win everywhere...
So again IF he is healthy, signing him is a no brainer to me.
And I'm not a player fan btw
To be fair in the last 3-4 weeks we've been getting good or at least serviceable Manu most of the games
But I agree it's too early to judge, and also we are not sre about what HE wants to do
"Because he's Manu Ginobilli"
Tim looked wonderful last year, too, until his other wheel fell off in February.
Absolutely! He's the heart and soul of the team, even if in spot minutes he can add value when healthy.
He took a payout actually. ElNono
In a perfect world, Manu resigns for whatever, Tim comes back, and the Spurs cut Parker.
Warrier tbhHe took a payout actually. ElNono
Shooting a career best from 3pt (41.7%) and looking the healthiest I have seen in him 3 years (let it be no jinx, tbh)..
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If he's in a small contract that will leave budget to get a player who doesn't need minutes managed, rest games, etc. Then sure. At an overpaid rate where he's going to have to be surrounded by youngsters bc Spurs can't afford to pay someone who is going to be consistent? No. Consider what happens this season if the Spurs were unable to get Lee (he took a minimum contract and can get more. No way was that a predictable move).
Anyways, it's better to just enjoy MVPelon when he has a good game bc I do think he's retiring.
Someone just put me in the loop as to how and why Manu earned this weird nickname the past few weeks?
I was looking for a nickname that started with P (for MVP) and I know we have a rather large messican contingent here that would get a chuckle out of it...Someone just put me in the loop as to how and why Manu earned this weird nickname the past few weeks?
There is no reason for him not to come back. Surely, he will get a much lower contract if he wants to come back. This current one didn't cost the Spurs anyone as they could go over the cap to offer it.
I am really torn. If he were to return next season as a strictly spot-up 3-point shooter, then I would welcome Manu back. But I do not believe Manu could curb his penchant for driving and "playmaking". I am tired of watching a Manu in denial trying to do things most nights that he simply is not capable of doing any more. He is committing more turnovers and getting blocked more at the rim. Some games I would rather see Danny handling the ball! But what really concerns me is this: I think his presence on the team will re the development of younger guys that represent the future of the Spurs. Not only does Manu seem incapable of deferring, but Pop will continue to go to him rather than develop the young guys. Having developed so few young guys through the years, the Spurs are faced with a rather difficult task of having to develop a couple (or a few) young guys all at once.
Lmao at anyone expecting Manu to take a discount and a smaller role. You played yourself
I totally agree with you, not trolling here. Pop will also keep going to him so long as he's in the team too. I am aware however that his compe ive spirit is like no other and same as Tim, when he's gone we will miss him. There will be no other MVPelon.
You may be higher on Simmons than I am though. If their answer to the bench is Manu one more season plus Simmons.. then I am not on board. I think Simmons will get paid, he has earned it and it is hard to say how much. I do think however that he's an inconsistent player who, when pressing the issue is incredibly prone to mistakes and getting striped still and he is too inconsistent with his jumper to be a guy around which others play in the bench. I may be mistaken in this evaluation bc he has shown some improvement but he's incredibly inconsistent as a scorer and so up and down that his age combined with what he has shown so far tells me that he's more likely to come in playing like he did against Memphis last night than the way he did against GSW in the season opener any regular night. In fact the GSW game is the only one of it's nature this season... and he statpads in garbage time a lot. Games like the one against Memphis tell me more about him and what he can do against real compe ion than garbage time statpadding. I would rather if the Spurs are going to pay someone that they get someone better personally.
He was to me the worst perimeter player for the Spurs the last game (save Dijon's terrible 3 minute stint in which he got stripped thrice and missed the one shot he took)... anyways, I want the Spurs to get someone better and more consistent for their bench... who is young enough that Pop doesn't need to rest him every other game and manage or restrict his minutes even when the team is losing just bc he's 40 and his body cannot in all consciousness handle it. Dijon is going to require time to reach his ceiling and I think Spurs could use someone who is going to be there to help things in the bench.
I don't know if they will retain Patty either, I thought initially they would, but now I am unsure. He's not the answer in the bench post Ginobili, specially if he gets a massive contract... but he may. Never underestimate Pop and his loyalties though.
It's really whether Pop will adjust Manu's role and whether adjusting his role to the point Manu is not Manu that makes me wonder if that is even worth it for Manu. I do believe when he reaches a point that he cannot be himself on the court it is time to retire (it's what Timmy did). Manu is close to that point... so very close he looks very much done in some games and that cannot be fun for him. He's still got the Pelotas though and can make game swinging plays. If it comes to it, I'd like him back while Dijon is worked in for example. The Mills vs Simmons vs a FA, Dedmon or Lee debate is for RC in the offseason.
You shouldn't be torn at all. The Spurs are developing players (like Simmons, who plays at his position, SG and exactly 0.4 mins less per game than Manu this season). Manu just has a relatively high usage (albeit in low minutes), simply because he's still a net positive out there. Even if Manu retires, I don't think it's automatic that, say, Murray takes his minutes. I think Murray's situation is more closely tied to what PATFO does over the summer with Patty.
What some of you need to realize is that the Spurs are not really rebuilding. Time for the younger guys will come here and there, and they need to show they've earned it. Take last season for example. The Spurs could've given more run to Kyle or Simmons, but PATFO brought in 33 years old Kevin Martin mid-season instead. If you want Pop to play the kids more, they either need to be extremely good, or wait until the team is tanking, tbh.
I've no idea what Manu is going to do, tbh, he probably doesn't know either. But it wouldn't be surprising at all if PATFO goes out there and gets another vet if he retires. They get to look at the kids plenty during the season and practice, they know what they have, what they can trot out there and not.
I've got a bit of a crazy idea, kind of fell asleep and woke up with it. In the playoffs, can we just start Manu at PG against the Clippers or Warriors if we play either of those teams? Since both TP and Mills' defense sucks ass, I really think Manu can start against either of those teams and do a better job if he continues shooting the 3 ball like he has been so far this season. I think he can also play better defense on their PGs than either Mills or TP.
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