I am reverting to Islam..

[spurraider21]

That loop only fails with Christianity.

The very problem with this loop is that it tries to apply Human and Earthly restrictions to God himself.

The universe can't possibly create himself because creations don't create things. However, A God that is All knowing, eternal, Capable of all things can.

That's the problem with the atheist appraoch. It always fails to understand that God is Eternal, all knowing and capable of everything.

and therefore you fall into exactly the same loop (scenario number 2)

[Ghazi]

Why did God choose this desert Bedoin?

According to Mo, there were 124,000 prophets... why couldn't God keep their stories/lives/histories alive so that people of today would be more capable of "believing"

Why does God need us to believe in him in order to reward us? Is he a girl who needs attention?

Quran also says to chop off the hands of thieves and that the testimony of 1 male is equal to 2 females.

"Allah controls the good and the evil" ... this means Allah is responsible for like Hitler and cancer. Did he create Hitler just so he could punish millions of people and send Hitler to ?

According to Islam, "angels" fashion people whilst they're in the wombs (implying predestiny)...therefore, all the murderers and rapists and so on were planned by Allah... it's all a part of his plan.

Why the Quran? Of all the things God could've done, why would he create a book that repeats legends and stories of cultures past? Why not: increase the food supply, provide a cure for cancer, show Himself so that we can more easily believe in him...

just doesn't add up bro...

[apalisoc_9]

and therefore you fall into exactly the same loop (scenario number 2)

No, the loop ends when you understand that Gods qualities include that he is the most eternal and the only creator. He created everything, and he doesnt come from anything.

If people can people at the idea that the earth is just there and it just happened, Im not sure why they cant apply the same logic with God.

[spurraider21]

No, the loop ends when you understand that Gods qualities include that he is the most eternal and the only creator. He created everything, and he doesnt come from anything.

but thats the exact point of the loop. if you're willing to grant that you can have a timeless god, why can't you be willing to admit that the universe is timeless and just bypass god?

If people can people at the idea that the earth is just there and it just happened, Im not sure why they cant apply the same logic with God.

because we know with certainty the earth exists

it's possible that god exists... but it's not a necessity

[apalisoc_9]

Why did God choose this desert Bedoin?

He choose Muhammad Pbuh, just like he choose many other prophets. They had the qualities of a trustworthy person, leader, someone that can inspire people. Muhammad Pbuh was the most trusted person in Mecca before his tribe started to go against him because of his religion but never denying his honesty.

According to Mo, there were 124,000 prophets... why couldn't God keep their stories/lives/histories alive so that people of today would be more capable of "believing"

That is an Israelite number, it could be true it could be not. Some Muslims use it under the ruling that it has no harm but the basis is weak...Also, God did make their stories alive There are many stories of prophets and their struggles..Not just the well known Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, Abraham the father of humanity Adam. As for Muhammad Pbuh race, according to Muhammad Pbuh only 4 prophets were arabs out of so many prophets. Israel was blessed.

Why does God need us to believe in him in order to reward us? Is he a girl who needs attention?

Because God creates everything with purpose. Humans and Jinns are commanded to obey and believe. That is their purpose. Are we just suppose to live our Earthly lives without any real purpose? God does not needed anyones..If you Obey, you get a reward.

Quran also says to chop off the hands of thieves and that the testimony of 1 male is equal to 2 females.

Because Under Islamic Fiqh, Women are not suppose to be going out without another Male non-marriageable male. They dont have the same range or scope as a male, if they follow Allahs commands.

"Allah controls the good and the evil" ... this means Allah is responsible for like Hitler and cancer. Did he create Hitler just so he could punish millions of people and send Hitler to ?

Allah Controls everything because something can only happen with his Will. Hitler was an evil person that had free will..Do you think Allah will just stop every human being that is going to committ Sin? that defeats the whole purpose of human and Jinn Kind...Allah willed for us to have free will. He will test humans as long as they live in Earth.

According to Islam, "angels" fashion people whilst they're in the wombs (implying predestiny)...therefore, all the murderers and rapists and so on were planned by Allah... it's all a part of his plan.

just doesn't add up bro...

God Is all knowing. He already knows what you are going to do before you even do it. Marriage, Money, and other worldly things have been predestined by Allah SWT...However, no one is born destined to be in fire. You make your own decisions. The Evening of Destiny is where muslims pray for their decrees...That is amazing..You know why? because it further elevates ( he needs no elevations since he is the most high) Allah SWT.

He already knew you were going to pray at the night of decree before you even prayed. He is the all knowing.

Why the Quran? Of all the things God could've done, why would he create a book that repeats legends and stories of cultures past? Why not: increase the food supply, provide a cure for cancer, show Himself so that we can more easily believe in him...

just doesn't add up bro...

Why would God defeat the whole purpose of human creation. Having everything handed to human beings essentially defeats the purpose of reward on good deeds.

He repeats his stories, and adds stories on the Quran so people can reflect..And make no mistake, People have reflected otherwise Islam would have never spread the way it has in a very short amount of time.

[apalisoc_9]

but thats the exact point of the loop. if you're willing to grant that you can have a timeless god, why can't you be willing to admit that the universe is timeless and just bypass god?

because we know with certainty the earth exists

it's possible that god exists... but it's not a necessity

Because exactly What Qualities does the universe have? Does it have the qualities to create? no it doesnt, but God does.

Thats even a bigger proof. Earth Exists, yet we know it doesnt create humans. In fact, planets get destroyed and Milky ways get destroyed...Does God get destroyed?

[spurraider21]

Because exactly What Qualities does the universe have? Does it have the qualities to create? no it doesnt, but God does.

Thats even a bigger proof. Earth Exists, yet we know it doesnt create humans. In fact, planets get destroyed and Milky ways get destroyed...Does God get destroyed?

every time we ask a question about god, the answer is unknown. its a non-answer

[apalisoc_9]

every time we ask a question about god, the answer is unknown. its a non-answer

How is it a non-answer?

Again, Does a God get destroyed?

We know planets, milky ways and universes do.

So that essentially destroys your loop. Something that gets destroyed isn't powerful enough to create a creation that reflects and questions.

[spurraider21]

How is it a non-answer?

Again, Does a God get destroyed?

We know planets, milky ways and universes do.

So that essentially destroys your loop. Something that gets destroyed isn't powerful enough to create a creation that reflects and questions.

you tell me... does god get destroyed? and whatever your answer is... how do you know?

its just assigning characteristics without actually knowing that they're true or not. at some point it just boils down to blind faith

[apalisoc_9]

you tell me... does god get destroyed? and whatever your answer is... how do you know?

its just assigning characteristics without actually knowing that they're true or not. at some point it just boils down to blind faith

How is it blind faith?

Can a bedouin possibly know that the universe was a smaller dense matter and then it was commanded and it went asunder and expanded like colorful rose ( heat, explosion) and will continue to expand until it is commanded to stop.

How can anyone sit in their butts and not reflect on how thats even possible for a bedouin to know...Surely someone all knowing told him about this.

Through examples like that, God's characteristics are known...

Surely someone who claims he is all the knowing and proves it so..Means that his other claim the only creator and only sustainer is true too. No way A bedouin would have known about the big bang.

[spurraider21]

can god be destroyed? how do you know?

and the big bang, despite it's name, is not really considering to be an explosion, but a rapid expansion. If i'm not mistaken, the quran also says the earth and heavens were one, and god separated them...

[Blake]

That loop only fails with Christianity.

The very problem with this loop is that it tries to apply Human and Earthly restrictions to God himself.

The universe can't possibly create himself because creations don't create things. However, A God that is All knowing, eternal, Capable of all things can.

That's the problem with the atheist appraoch. It always fails to understand that God is Eternal, all knowing and capable of everything.

Terrible logic

[Blake]

Because exactly What Qualities does the universe have? Does it have the qualities to create? no it doesnt, but God does.

Thats even a bigger proof. Earth Exists, yet we know it doesnt create humans. In fact, planets get destroyed and Milky ways get destroyed...Does God get destroyed?

How do you know another more powerful god didn't create your god?

[Ghazi]

Allah just needs to decide the matter and send us a 21st centiry prophet with a modern miracle. How can he possibly expect us not to be skeptical of the Quran rather than just blindly accept it as His word. Alas, Mo is the "seal of prophets" so thats exactly what Allah expects of us.

[Avante]

There is no doubt Mohammad is bull ting about his encounter with the Angel Gabriel in the cave on the mountain. There is no doubt he knew about Christianity and decided to have his very own religion. It really is just that obviouis and how anyone couldn't see that.....????

YES, the Bible stories are also fictious. Right over there sits a copy of Bhagavad-gila......if not familiar with it Google it. We love to tell stories.

[Blake]

There is no doubt Mohammad is bull ting about his encounter with the Angel Gabriel in the cave on the mountain. There is no doubt he knew about Christianity and decided to have his very own religion. It really is just that obviouis and how anyone couldn't see that.....????

YES, the Bible stories are also fictious. Right over there sits a copy of Bhagavad-gila......if not familiar with it Google it. We love to tell stories.

But billions of people believe so there must be something. That's what you said.

Because you're an idiot tbh

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[clambake]

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he said you shoot sick pedo's in the head.

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[Avante]

Ever notice just how totally ed up those two freaks are? And, how badly they both need Avante.

[clambake]

Ever notice just how totally ed up those two freaks are? And, how badly they both need Avante.

child rapist opinion piece.

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I bet he's mumbling something about me to nobody in particular.

I'm right aren't i

[Avante]

So one minute this little is reading Avante and the next he isn't, hahahahaha~~~

Originally Posted by Avante
There is no doubt Mohammad is bull ting about his encounter with the Angel Gabriel in the cave on the mountain. There is no doubt he knew about Christianity and decided to have his very own religion. It really is just that obviouis and how anyone couldn't see that.....????

YES, the Bible stories are also fictious. Right over there sits a copy of Bhagavad-gila......if not familiar with it Google it. We love to tell stories.


But billions of people believe so there must be something. That's what you said.

Because you're an idiot tbh

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Just tell this ing idiot he will be ignored and the little freaks out. Funny to watch the boy, hahahaha~~~~~~

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I'd lay $100 he's still whining about me.

I'm right aren't I.

[Avante]

Billions of people NEED a God/Superior Being/Master Designer, and while it's done in many different ways they all agree with me in that there is SOMETHING responsible for all this.

Only dumbass atheists don't get it.