How do Democrats win back straight white men?

[ElNono]

& for all mankind.

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It's always a good thing to do though. Time is a miserable thing that will eventually make you catch up with it.

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Tell yourself that while you have a few years left. We need to lie to ourselves when we are old I guess.
I cant help that you use hallucinogenic mushrooms in your salad. But if it makes you feel good, go for it.

Meanwhile back in reality land, we have a divided country.

And Obama stomped a mudhole thru the hairline crack that Clinton had initiated. The one Bush had ever so carefully kept hopping over for 8 years.

Obama(s) knew exactly how to separate a tenuous line to a full blown valley.

"It's the first time I've ever been proud to be an American." Obama's wife opening day '08.
"Now we know what it's like to have no hope again." Obama's wife last day '16.

Old man Obama? A in' disgrace to set black man against white man instead of using those 8 years to drag us by the naps of our black & white necks to the same spot on earth. "We ain't leavin' till we leave together."

That would have been too much toil and trouble, too much work, too much risk, too much to lose, too much to gain. Instead? He did what he did.

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It's always a good thing to do though. Time is a miserable thing that will eventually make you catch up with it.

Once & again:::

El

[baseline bum]

Democrats are way behind the curve because they thought they were winning when they were actually losing the whole time. Moderates were basically purged from the party under Obama.

That's ridiculous, the Democrats ran a moderate in Clinton.

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That's ridiculous, the Democrats ran a moderate in Clinton.

If she's moderate I'm 25 years old.

[ElNono]

That's ridiculous, the Democrats ran a moderate in Clinton.

You could argue she was a moderate in economic issues... but she also had a big baggage of different positions in other areas, like military or even socially.

But then again, she was such a fake, it was hard to tell if she stood in any of those position for anything but convenience.

You're not necessarily wrong that the Dems ran her as a 'moderate', but the actual question is anybody actually bought she was one.

[Clipper Nation]

They can't. But straight white men are just the first of many voting blocs the Dems are going to alienate as they spiral further into radicalism and irrelevance. I think the Democrats are a lot closer to where the UK Labour Party already is under Corbyn than where either major party in America usually is after getting crushed in an election. It's not just that the Democrats lost - they have almost no political power, no bench, and are controlled by the lunatic fringe. And instead of picking up on the obvious cues that the American people sent them at the ballot box, they're quadrupling down on the same insanity that has led them to their current situation.

[ElNono]

But I will also disagree with the notion that 'Moderates were basically purged from the party under Obama.'. That's baloney, Barry was as moderate as they come.

His campaign contributions came from Goldman Sachs and when the ACA had to be written, he damn well called all BigPharma and Insurance Cos to get in on the con.

On the other hand, Benji hated him (not a terrible thing in my book), and he sure paid lip service to the 'masses' quite a bit, but other than cash for clunkers and a few other select areas, there was little traction.

[DMX7]

We really need Frederick Douglass to continue doing a great job. He's really starting to get recognized. He can unite us all!

[ElNono]

Also, sometimes you gotta sit back and let the other party get full of themselves, slip and screw up, tbh... We've seen this repeated ad nauseum, even just solely in the past 20 years or so...

[baseline bum]

You could argue she was a moderate in economic issues... but she also had a big baggage of different positions in other areas, like military or even socially.

But then again, she was such a fake, it was hard to tell if she stood in any of those position for anything but convenience.

You're not necessarily wrong that the Dems ran her as a 'moderate', but the actual question is anybody actually bought she was one.

Well her husband is the one who dragged the Democrats back to the center after they had been getting their asses kicked with liberals like Carter and Dukakis in national elections. Bill was certainly center right economically, evidenced by his signing of NAFTA, giving China most favored nation trade status, and the way he let Greenspan go nuts. It's hard to believe Hillary would be any different. And militarily how was Clinton on the left? She was a huge warhawk pushing to go into Iraq and then her no-fly zones in Syria

The only thing she was to the left on was social crap so she could court the black vote her husband enjoyed. LOL when people bring up her free college crap as if that wasn't an empty promise she'd never be called on since she'd have a Republican house had she won.

[baseline bum]

But I will also disagree with the notion that 'Moderates were basically purged from the party under Obama.'. That's baloney, Barry was as moderate as they come.

It's false equivalence crap from the rightwing media (eg Fox News, Clear Channel, NY Post, etc) to try to counter the critique that the Republicans have been moving to the right for 3 decades. Until Trump, he's not particularly conservative, more a nationalist strongman in the mold of Hitler.

[ElNono]

Well her husband is the one who dragged the Democrats back to the center after they had been getting their asses kicked with liberals like Carter and Dukakis in national elections. Bill was certainly center right economically, evidenced by his signing of NAFTA, giving China most favored nation trade status, and the way he let Greenspan go nuts. It's hard to believe Hillary would be any different. And militarily how was Clinton on the left? She was a huge warhawk pushing to go into Iraq and then her no-fly zones in Syria

The only thing she was to the left on was social crap so she could court the black vote her husband enjoyed. LOL when people bring up her free college crap as if that wasn't an empty promise she'd never be called on since she'd have a Republican house had she won.

But that's what I'm saying, everybody knew she was a neocon warhawk, and that she really didn't mean/care about the plight of muh brothas and muh gays ...

I mean, if you're going to box her with the 'moderate' label, she had to have something that you can point and say, "ok, she's really moderate about THIS". But I dare you find that one thing. Even on economics she flipped on the TPP when it was clear it was going to be a terrible political position.

Barry had it at least with the brothas (you could argue he didn't do for them, but I thought he at least appeared credible in that sense).

[ElNono]

It's false equivalence crap from the rightwing media (eg Fox News, Clear Channel, NY Post, etc) to try to counter the critique that the Republicans have been moving to the right for 3 decades. Until Trump, he's not particularly conservative, more a nationalist strongman in the mold of Hitler.

Trump played the right playbook, tbh, and I think people don't want to give him enough credit for it. They won't admit or didn't notice, but the first thing he did was say he wasn't touching Medicare, Social Security, etc. I don't know how this escaped the Mitt Romneys of this world before him, but it's an unwritten rule. Heck, talking about expanding might hurt you too. Now, he doesn't have to keep that promise (and he'll cause the GOP Congress some heartburn if he plans to keep it), but it's one of those cards that have been played terribly by previous GOP presidential candidates.

[baseline bum]

But that's what I'm saying, everybody knew she was a neocon warhawk, and that she really didn't mean/care about the plight of muh brothas and muh gays ...

I mean, if you're going to box her with the 'moderate' label, she had to have something that you can point and say, "ok, she's really moderate about THIS". But I dare you find that one thing. Even on economics she flipped on the TPP when it was clear it was going to be a terrible political position.

Barry had it at least with the brothas (you could argue he didn't do for them, but I thought he at least appeared credible in that sense).

Just pointing out she is in no way hard line left like the right wing media tries to portray her. If the Democrats wanted a liberal they could have nominated Sanders.

[ElNono]

Just pointing out she is in no way hard line left like the right wing media tries to portray her. If the Democrats wanted a liberal they could have nominated Sanders.

Agreed. She was more of a, I don't know what she was. She was what you wanted to hear at any given time. Unlike Bernie, she exuded "I want power". Not that Trump didn't too.

At any rate, I agree that the notion of moderates being alienated by the Dems is mistaken. Now, if the Dems come back with more Clinton, then sure, as I said in another thread, that would be another self-inflicted wound.

[Mitch]

Dems need to stop being far left fiscally, tbh. As much they get for being socially liberal, that's really not their issue right now. Moderates want fiscal responsibility, if Hillary didn't seem like she was going to the economy up even more she'd probably have won a few more states like the rust belt and Florida.

[ElNono]

Dems need to stop being far left fiscally, tbh. As much they get for being socially liberal, that's really not their issue right now. Moderates want fiscal responsibility, if Hillary didn't seem like she was going to the economy up even more she'd probably have won a few more states like the rust belt and Florida.

I don't completely disagree, but I don't even think it's entirely about fiscal responsibility. There's some of that, but at the same time, the biggest demographics of eligible voters are boomers/gen-x, and they want fiscal responsibility without touching their Medicare/SS, and that's been going on for years. IMO, the economic big elephant in the room this election was jobs. It's not that they're necessarily not there, it's that they're ty and we can't compete in a globalized economy. Even the whole services and IT industries, which have always been relatively well paid, have been decimated lately with offshoring. These are metropolitan people, which the Dems can't afford to lose votes from.

[Mitch]

I don't completely disagree, but I don't even think it's entirely about fiscal responsibility. There's some of that, but at the same time, the biggest demographics of eligible voters are boomers/gen-x, and they want fiscal responsibility without touching their Medicare/SS, and that's been going on for years. IMO, the economic big elephant in the room this election was jobs. It's not that they're necessarily not there, it's that they're ty and we can't compete in a globalized economy. Even the whole services and IT industries, which have always been relatively well paid, have been decimated lately with offshoring. These are metropolitan people, which the Dems can't afford to lose votes from.

Yep, jobs was a key issue but this election was close - I think the easiest adjustment Hillary and the dems could have made was centering fiscally. That wouldn't compromise their base, but Hillary went the other way to try winning Bernie's people

[Wild Cobra]

You're not necessarily wrong that the Dems ran her as a 'moderate', but the actual question is anybody actually bought she was one.

She was maybe the middle left, but not the middle.

Middle left is a liberal moderate!

[z0sa]

A lot less iden y politics and none of Hillary style "we just cant."

[ElNono]

Yep, jobs was a key issue but this election was close - I think the easiest adjustment Hillary and the dems could have made was centering fiscally. That wouldn't compromise their base, but Hillary went the other way to try winning Bernie's people

The easiest adjustment the Dems could've done was send Clinton packing, tbh... they should've learned that after Barry sent her on her merry way, and looking ahead, they should keep her as far away as possible. Also while Barry ended his presidency with somewhat of a respectable approval rating, he's past history too. Need to move on from that. They have decent, younger choices to pick from, and frankly, since dubya, we've seen now two presidents come from relative obscurity, politically speaking. Unless Trump kills that trend, this is the relative 'outsider' era, more than the 'team colors' era of yesteryear.

I understand people being excited about this election, like it's some sort of omen of how things are going to be from now on, but a mere 8 years ago, Congress and the Executive were both controlled by Dems, largely thanks to a ed up GOP administration. Before that administration, you had a Dem prez with a GOP Congress. Things change, and generations change too.

So, you know, I always hope whoever is in power does well, that's always the better option for everybody, but this isn't the 80s, and the vast majority of people ain't married to a team color anymore, IMO. You'll always have the ideologues that group into the bases, but the guys that are eventually going to flip the election one way or the other end up voting with a hand in their pockets, or some other specific reason du jour. I know people have berated me before for saying this, with this thing is in a lot of ways a popularity contest. Things like swagger and looks and charisma and zingers shouldn't theoretically matter, but you can tell (both from Barry fans and Trump fans) that they absolutely do.

[ElNono]

She was maybe the middle left, but not the middle.

Middle left is a liberal moderate!

No way. If I had to place her in the political spectrum, she was basically dubya's 3rd term.

She spoke about free healthcare, free college, teh gays, the bros... but none of that was genuine, IMO (outside the warhawk neocon, which is pretty well established, it's difficult to really get a read that she really stood for anything outside "I want to live in the WH again").

[Th'Pusher]

Yep, jobs was a key issue but this election was close - I think the easiest adjustment Hillary and the dems could have made was centering fiscally. That wouldn't compromise their base, but Hillary went the other way to try winning Bernie's people

This is bull . Even with her giveaways, her proposals were more "fiscally conservative" than Trump's.

[DMC]

As a straight white man who runs in fairly progressive circles, I can honestly say I have never once felt hated or persecuted in any way and I'm baffled that any straight white man would feel persecuted unless he (1) watches way too much Fox News, (2) has a ty life that he's blaming others for, or (3) is a super-sensitive little ninny.

Anyway, the answer to your question is jobs.

you just persecuted white males in your response