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What do you expect from 3rd world Argie?, they lucky to get a/c and clean water, nevermind thinking.
I was drunk as , tbh. But still Kobe >>> Pierce.
To me, it's about the same; some would even argue Pierce is better. The point is Kobe has way way more hardware. Trophy counting is kinda a sh** way to measure. We all do it at times I guess though.
I have never talked about team rings, tbh. Just individual awards.
Individual awards are sh**. Look at Kobe vs. Pierce defensive stats and then look at how the defensive awards stack up. It's not as egregious, but you can make the comparisons on the all-nba awards too. The awards are marketing tools not awards of merit. If they were, Kobe never would've been all defensive any sh**.
All defensive team is a joke. We all know that.
But MVP's and finals MVP's aren't. And those individual awards are a good measure to compare individual players.
They aren't? 08 Kobe wasn't MVP. They ripped it from KG to give him a lifetime achievement / pity MVP. Bird lost an MVP to Jordan for marketing purposes. D Rose lost an MVP to Lebron so that the league could sell better in Chicago.
What? It's true that Kobe didn't deserve the 2008 MVP, but KG didn't either. Choke Paul and LeBron actually got robbed that year. Bird was a fraud who needed Stern to tell all the black players to go easy on him for marketing purposes. D-Blose was handed a pity MVP over LeBron because Media's hate for LeBron was at an all-time high in 2011.
He made other trade Kawhi for sh** threads too.Glad we didn't trade him for Ariza & Beal
Not worried about your racist hack opinions on Bird; so covering 08, KG was the anchor of a historically solid defense while playing at a great clip on offense. Not saying there wasn't a case for others, but I'm not tearing the MVP away from a guy leading a team to 68 wins for face value stat stuffers.
At the rate he plays against the Clippers I can't see that happening.
Kobe played all 82 games, Celtics still won at a high rate without KG in those 11 GMs to a tune of 9 - 2, tbh..
Kawhi is Destined to ve the GOAT.
KG rested on the very winnable games. PP and RA weren't going to go at a 9-2 rate for a season w/o KG. Kobe wasn't top 2 either. That was a lifetime achievement award.
At this point, I wouldn't disagree especially if he continues to grow like he has every season.
Good call
KG had a stacked roster, Kobe had the #1 seed with zero all-star teammates, Bynum went down a month before Pau trade Kirby deserved it...
In total both had the same amount of RS wins but KG's supporting cast would have won 50+ without him. He missed 25 games in 09 they still won 62. 18 - 7 without him - 59 win pace.
MVP goes to the best player on a top seed, it's safe to say he earned it after beating my Spurs and NO in April for HCA
Frankly, Kobe didn't even deserve it over Pierce. 08 was a lifetime achievement award. And the Lakers got the one seed b/c of Pau's arrival, not b/c Kobe did anything extra special.
Lakers were on a 56 win pace with 20 y.o Bynum in Pau's place that season
Pierce averaged ~20/5/5
Kobe 28/6/5
and 27/7/6 on 49/49/83 shooting in key games in April that decided their seeding
His PO run validated his MVP as they went 13 - 3 in the WC Playoffs with him putting up 32/6/6 on 51%FG, the only other real MVP candidate CP3 lost to the Spurs at home in a Game 7
IDK why people want to re-write history but he was the clear-cut MVP that year.
Pierce had better percents and better play and sacrificed stat stuffing for the team. Bynum was still a top center. I don't care how old he was; and adding Pau only synched it. KG and Pierce's playoff runs validated them. How many points did Kobe lose by in Game 6, a closeout game? Remind me again?Lakers were on a 56 win pace with 20 y.o Bynum in Pau's place that season
Pierce averaged ~20/5/5
Kobe 28/6/5
and 27/7/6 on 49/49/83 shooting in key games in April that decided their seeding
His PO run validated his MVP as they went 13 - 3 in the WC Playoffs with him putting up 32/6/6 on 51%FG, the only other real MVP candidate CP3 lost to the Spurs at home in a Game 7
IDK why people want to re-write history but he was the clear-cut MVP that year.
And again, if we're putting that much of an emphasis on stats, Kobe is not top 2 either:
PPG Leader: LeBron James (30.0)
RPG Leader: Dwight Howard (14.2)
APG Leader: Chris Paul (11.6)
WS Leader: Chris Paul (17.8)
And what were Kobe's Lakers before Pau got there? Like 4 or 5 seed? So give that up. Don't tell me about rewriting history. Kobe had no business winning the MVP that year. KG revolutionized the league that year. But he had an MVP and the beloved Kobe didn't. We all know what happened.
In 2008, gasol and Bynum both had better WS/48 than Kobe but Kobe did lead the team in WS though. That's why the lakers didn't win it all because we all know when Kobe leads the team in we, the team won't win the championship.
Do you not understand how stats work, or how WS works?
Both Pau and Bynum played with Kobe, Kobe went a month stretch playing without either, so obviously the team overall was much worse when they missed their best big man.
Pau in Memphis was going to miss the Playoffs with a better supporting cast than Kobe had at the time
And Kobe led the 2001 Lakers in Winshares in the Playoffs, by your argument he was the most valuable player on the most dominant Playoff team of all-time.
All I know is that Pau Gasol was 0 - 16 in the Playoffs without Kobe leading up to 2014 before he went to a Playoff team in Chicago
Why is it so hard for people to give Achilles his one MVP? He led his team to the top seed in the West with less help than CP0 or Duncan and outplayed both H2H in April in games that decided their seeding, he's an overrated chucker but he did do these things you know.
KG missed 11 regular season games in which his team went 9 - 2, next season in the 25 games he missed his team was still on pace to win ~60 games in those games without him, how can the most valuable player in the league miss over a quarter of the season and the team only wins 4 less RS games? Neither of them carried the load on offense that Kobe did, in Boston you had 3 HOFers together with a young Rondo and a solid bench, that team was loaded, for obvious reasons it's why neither deserved the MVP considering they had to do much less.
Chris Paul had a great statistical season but when it came down to playing for the #1 seed Kobe strongly outplayed him
29/10/8/2 1 TO on 9/17 shooting vs 15/6/17/4 3 TO on 4/13 shooting
Celtics won as they should since they had a much better team that year, but we saw them play like contenders even with KG injured, went 7 games with Orlando in 2009, Howard only averaged 16 ppg against that defense minus KG.
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