Zero penetration

[clambake]

zero penetration

thats what she said.

[UZER]

zero penetration

thats what she said.

Eva? Or Mrs Barry?

[TD 21]

But Kawhi changed his shooting selection. Go take a look at the shooting #s for those years:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...l#all_shooting
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...l#all_shooting

In '14-'15, Kawhi was taking 21% or more of his shots from 0-3 feet, the rest (around 18%) outside, and 23% from 3.
In '15-'16, Kawhi was taking 20% or more of his shots from 0-3 feet, 20% from 10-16, and 26% from 3.

I'm not complaining, Kawhi shot over 50% in '15-'16, so it clearly worked in his favor.

Now, while you're there, take a look at LMA's shot selection from 16-3p line in '15-'16, and also David West. Then try to find anybody in '14-'15 taking that amount of shots from there. You won't find it. The only guy that comes close is Tony at 28%, but he was at 28% both years. So we didn't add one, but two guys that primarily shot jumpers from 16 out. That's not revisionism, the numbers bear it out.



I agree about this, tbh, I mentioned it last playoffs... It took an event of the magnitude of that Ray Allen 3 to light up the coaching fire on Pop again, the odds we're going to have a similar event soon is remote. I don't think he doesn't want to win, but the motivation just isn't the same, isn't entirely there. It sucks, but it's understandable up to an extent.

You're talking about shot location; I was speaking more so to them becoming more of an ISO team. Like I said, Aldridge clearly exacerbated it, but they were moving in the direction the season before his arrival, but because Leonard is far more popular and that style has come to be known as the an hesis of Spurs basketball, the former gets the blame for it.

[Strategic]

If he starts next year too... It's another year wasted.

He also needs to renegotiate, whether he sticks around longer or not.

[ElNono]

You're talking about shot location; I was speaking more so to them becoming more of an ISO team. Like I said, Aldridge clearly exacerbated it, but they were moving in the direction the season before his arrival, but because Leonard is far more popular and that style has come to be known as the an hesis of Spurs basketball, the former gets the blame for it.

In my defense I called it ISO-jumper... we always had some ISO when we transitioned to Manu and Tony carrying a good chunk of the load, and with Kawhi it was more postups, like Tim in his heyday.

Now it's full blown ISO and jumpers. At any rate, we can discuss when this happened ad nauseum, but the fact is that's how Pop put this team together and wants this team to play... it's clear that if he wants a penetrator, that's gotta be Kawhi.

[ElNono]

He also needs to renegotiate, whether he sticks around longer or not.

You can't 'renegotiate' his contract, per the CBA... it's guaranteed money in the books

[dabom]

In my defense I called it ISO-jumper... we always had some ISO when we transitioned to Manu and Tony carrying a good chunk of the load, and with Kawhi it was more postups, like Tim in his heyday.

Now it's full blown ISO and jumpers. At any rate, we can discuss when this happened ad nauseum, but the fact is that's how Pop put this team together and wants this team to play... it's clear that if he wants a penetrator, that's gotta be Kawhi.

We went to Kawhi ISO's cause every one else can't make wide open ing shots on a consistent basis.

It's not like we never tried to play like 2014.

[ElNono]

We went to Kawhi ISO's cause every one else can't make wide open ing shots on a consistent basis.

It's not like we never tried to play like 2014.

this team is not built like in 2014... that's what some people refuse to acknowledge. You can bring a 'penetrator' and he'll be watching Kawhi go ISO and LMA take his 16ft jumpers.... that's how this team distributes it's scoring.

[dabom]

this team is not built like in 2014... that's what some people refuse to acknowledge. You can bring a 'penetrator' and he'll be watching Kawhi go ISO and LMA take his 16ft jumpers.... that's how this team distributes it's scoring.

Tony and Manu have the bed these past 2 years. They play big minutes. That's where the talent went.

[TD 21]

In my defense I called it ISO-jumper... we always had some ISO when we transitioned to Manu and Tony carrying a good chunk of the load, and with Kawhi it was more postups, like Tim in his heyday.

Now it's full blown ISO and jumpers. At any rate, we can discuss when this happened ad nauseum, but the fact is that's how Pop put this team together and wants this team to play... it's clear that if he wants a penetrator, that's gotta be Kawhi.

I don't think it was so much intentional as it being a case of, you take who you can get, when you can get them. If they had their druthers, they probably would have preferred M. Gasol to Aldridge in '15, but the former wasn't going anywhere and like pretty much any team, no matter what you think of him, they were in no position to turn down an opportunity to get a player of Aldridge's caliber.

People can complain all they want about point guard, but Parker wasn't and isn't on the verge of retirement and they're more than likely not going to turn their back on him, at least for anything less than an elite point guard. Conley's a second tier one and with the Grizzlies willing to max him out, he wasn't going anywhere either.

I don't think they want to play this way, so much as it was just inevitable with the way their two best players play. It's clear that Pop, Parker, Ginobili and Green, aren't exactly thrilled and it's no wonder considering the near 180 from '12-'14 to now.

[ElNono]

Tony and Manu have the bed these past 2 years. They play big minutes. That's where the talent went.

Manu might retire, but Tony ain't going anywhere, tbh

[ElNono]

I don't think it was so much intentional as it being a case of, you take who you can get, when you can get them. If they had their druthers, they probably would have preferred M. Gasol to Aldridge in '15, but the former wasn't going anywhere and like pretty much any team, no matter what you think of him, they were in no position to turn down an opportunity to get a player of Aldridge's caliber.

People can complain all they want about point guard, but Parker wasn't and isn't on the verge of retirement and they're more than likely not going to turn their back on him, at least for anything less than an elite point guard. Conley's a second tier one and with the Grizzlies willing to max him out, he wasn't going anywhere either.

I don't think they want to play this way, so much as it was just inevitable with the way their two best players play. It's clear that Pop, Parker, Ginobili and Green, aren't exactly thrilled and it's no wonder considering the near 180 from '12-'14 to now.

And I agree. We made this bed, now we gotta lie on it. But it's not terrible either. When they projected this a couple years ago, you could see the Dubs were building something nice, and the Lebron is always there, but it's not like those teams were a sure thing either or we turned into the Lakers... So it's easy to talk in hindsight in a way, but I didn't think the plan was terrible, and you gotta give credit in the sense that trusting on Kawhi to develop into a star, more or less, panned out.

It might not be enough, given how everything else played out, but it also wasn't a terrible decision...

[DeRozan m8]

Start Murray.

Its time.

Its past time really.

Hurry the up