Simmons and Mills will be tough to replace, that's for sure
That's exactly the situation, plus I will add the guys in small contracts are producing very well for their contracts. If you send them out unlikely you get even their equivalents just on chemistry, and understanding and oF Pops system. That still doesn't stop the idle chatter...
This doesn't make Forbes a rotation player.
And the 3 you want to hang onto aren't really producing like you want to think. All 3 are replaceable. Thompson has shown more than KA and Simmons.
I know you want to hold on to KA but he isn't something that is make our break for us.
Chinook, I tried to get your attention for this question. I haven't seen you involved in any extensive dialog, so I'll try again. Hope you can shed some light... Thanks.
Yep, despite the fact that some of our "bargain" players do not produce like we would hope or like, they are still pretty productive and very inexpensive. Your points about chemistry and understanding the system are well taken, too. If the Spurs make any deals before the deadline, my wife will have to call EMS.
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I don't think this is a useful distinction. First, because on-ball and off-ball isn't really something that gets parsed out statistically. You can have assisted versus unassisted, but that isn't the same thing. Beyond that, you don't really get a percentage for assisted attempts, since by definition, every assisted attempt is a conversion.
I would assume, like everyone not named Jimmer Fredette, that Manu shoots better "off the ball" than he shoots "on it". But the second reason why he's not a useful distinction is that not all off-ball threes are created equal. Bowen's three came off the ball, and so do Korver's. But Bruce was much less dynamic, since he only shot from certain spots and wasn't really a guy who affected a defense with his movement around the perimeter. I don't think there's an easy way to get stats on this either, but I don't think Manu is very dynamic off the ball. I have watched some highlights recently and do see him scoring on some shallow cuts and screens, so he's not completely stationary. But he's not really putting pressure on the D with his shots or attempts.
If Manu is being aggressive with his shot, those will come up "on the ball". But for the most part, his threes are reactive. They come off someone doubling another player or overhelping. In that regard, what separates him from Tony, Pau or LMA is simply increased opportunities and willingness to shoot. On a given play, his role is not to force rotations by cutting across the formation while someone else does something. His role is usually to be that someone doing something.
I don't want him to be another Kerr or Horry. Those guys are from a different era. Their performances aren't nearly dynamic enough to work today. They'd have to play in a different way -- at least Kerr would. The game is just different. Manu as an off-ball player can't sit back and do that, because Bertans could come in and do it sooooo much better.
Thanks, Chinook, for replying. Personally, I would rather Manu spot-up than drive most of the time - actually all the time except those rare throw back games which, unfortunately, nobody can predict.
Mills leaving means that there is about 22mpg that need to be filled at PG, as Parker's continued to age and decline, he's taken on an increasingly bigger role.
Simmons is meh for me, I'd wish he was a better shooter but that doesn't seem like it's going to happen this season. I'd be fine with Mills-Murray-Anderson-Bertans-Dedmon bench, assuming we can keep Mills and Dedmon.
I agree. Simmons is nice to have on a cheap contract, but he seems like Gary Neal with a different skill set.
Mills and Simmons are expandable, since they wont be here next year. And bench depth doesn`t really matter for playoffs, starters outside Kawhi need to step the up. Not sure if they are worth anything. Maybe Philly would want Mills and give Spurs Covington, since he`ll get less playing time with Simmons ready to go, and they need guads
The latest from Woj
A potential trade sending Jimmy Butler from the Bulls to the Celtics will loom over deadline week, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical (Twitter link).In a video interview, Wojnarowski says the teams have discussed a deal involving Butler, but talks haven’t progressed very far. He adds that Chicago officials have to to fully commit to the rebuilding process before they would be willing to give up Butler.
Wojnarowski says the trade would involve one of the Nets’ first-rounders — but probably not both — that Boston owns in the next two drafts. If the Bulls get this year’s pick, Wojnarowski states they can find a replacement for Derrick Rose, who was traded to the Knicks last summer. Washington’s Markelle Fultz and UCLA’s Lonzo Ballare point guards mentioned as likely choices at the top of the draft.
Teaming Butler with Isaiah Thomas and Al Horford would give the Celtics enough firepower to challenge Cleveland for supremacy in the East, Wojnarowski states, not just this season but for years to come.
Other highlights from the interview:
- The Clippers and Thunder are both potential landing spots for Nuggets forward Wilson Chandler. However, both teams are low on draft picks and may not have the assets that Denver would want in return.
- The Thunder were trying to acquire Kings forward Rudy Gay before a season-ending Achilles injury.
- The Wizards would like to add another wing player to their bench, with the Lakers‘ Lou Williams and the Nets‘ Bojan Bogdanovic as possibilities. Wojnarowski says Washington is willing to part with a draft pick to get veteran help.
- The Suns have been shopping P.J. Tucker, Tyson Chandler and Brandon Knight, hoping to get picks or young players in return.
- Chandler is one of several centers on the market, along with the Sixers‘ Jahlil Okafor, the Mavericks‘ Andrew Bogut, the Bucks‘ Greg Monroe and the Nets‘ Brook Lopez. However, there is limited interest in back-to-the basket centers. Wojnarowski speculates that one or two of them may be traded this week, but cautions that there aren’t enough buyers for all of them to be moved.
- Unless something changes, Carmelo Anthony will remain with the Knicks. New York management hasn’t presented him with any deals that would tempt him to waive his no-trade clause. Most of the teams that were interested in dealing for Anthony are now “looking in other directions,” but Wojnarowski thinks the Clippers might revisit their attempt to land Anthony this summer.
Watch the butler trade happen, Wade opt out of his player option, and then Spurs foolishly sign him this summer.
i'll take butler. i'll give them tp (bulls are looking for a PG), two 1st round draft picks and one 2nd round draft pick.
Not sure if serious.
I'll take CoJo instead tbh
Been through this before, but there seems to be a lot of smoke regarding a DeMarcus Cousins blockbuster. Woj saying NOP is in pursuit.
I saw the NOLA rumor: Buddy Heild, two firsts, and salary match filler for Cousins. That seems like a weak haul for Sacto, but then again Vlade . . .
Wouldn't be the first time.
I think gambit1990 is serious. Unfortunately neither FO would consider it seriously.
Wouldn't be the first time.
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
4m Sources: Divac delivered to owner Sunday what front office believes are two best Cousins trade proposals. Of course, @Vivek has final say.
NBA Trade deadline!!!! Love it. Boogie about to be free of the shackles that are SAC. Go to WAS, BOS or TOR. That would be sick. Get another team in the East to the next level.
Him and AD would be pretty nasty though. That is scary as if they keep Jrue.
If that happens the Spurs might as well blow it up and spend the next few years building up Murray/Bertans while letting Kawhi stat-pad and chase individual honors.
Pretty sure Cousins ends up in Phoenix !
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