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And what does that imply. speak.
Kawhi's still one of the lowest-rated wings on the team in defensive stats. I don't get what's funny. Are we now saying DPOY isn't reputation based?
And what does that imply. speak.
Kawhi's averaging career lows in defensive rebounds and steals per 100 along with the lowest block rate since his second season. Career-worst DRtg, easily the worst DBPM of his career and DRPM since the stat came out four years ago. Lowest DWS/48 since his rookie season. There are explanations for it, but the reality is that Kawhi doesn't have a statistical case for DPOY this season.
Not yet, anyway.
You still side stepped the question.
You keep pasting info without actually explaining what that all means.
Kawhi is leading his team to a the number 1 defensive team in the NBA. FACTS.
I remember where the Spurs were without Kawhi defensively...
An injury to Kawhi would plummet our defense. And I'm not talking about resting vs ty compe ion.
And what does that imply. speak.I actually hadn't read you post. I was going to put all that in one but then I saw that I had already posted.You still side stepped the question.
You keep pasting info without actually explaining what that all means.
To your first non-question, I'm saying that Kawhi was never going to not be in consideration for the award. Public opinion on defense lags way behind performance. I don't think Kawhi deserves DPOY this year. He hasn't been the best defender on his own team -- Dedmon has.
His stats do exactly what I said: They essentially remove any argument that he has a statistical case for the award. He has by many accounts had a career-worst year on that end. And while it's easy (and not inaccurate) to say that's because Tim is gone, other players on the team have actually had strong years, so that's not entirely reasonable. The only argument that Kawhi really has is that the Spurs are the best defense in the league.
Because people assume that's his doing, he may get more consideration. But we'll see the actual judgement of that come out when Dedmon gets a Biyombo-level deal in the off-season.
Does that satisfy your curiosity?
Where was Dedmon before Kawhi?
Where was old bag tim duncan without Kawhi.
These players get a resurgence playing next to Kawhi. hmmm why is that?
I'm pretty sure Dedmon would laugh at you if you told him he was a better defender than Kawhi this year.
He led Orlando in DRtg and DBPM last season. So he was around.Where was Dedmon before Kawhi?
Laughing at the GOAT defensive player. That's quite the low. He was putting up great defensive numbers without Kawhi too. It's sort of absurd that you didn't know that.Where was old bag tim duncan without Kawhi.
They didn't get a resurgence playing next to Kawhi. Especially Dedmon, who's played fewer than half of his minutes with Kawhi (despite having started so many more games now).These players get a resurgence playing next to Kawhi. hmmm why is that?
I'm not to sure. Tim might have laughed last year, but Dedmon is more of a self-promoter than Duncan and probably thinks he's the best defender in the league.I'm pretty sure Dedmon would laugh at you if you told him he was a better defender than Kawhi this year.
I thought it was perfectly clear I was talking about old washed up Duncan immediately before Kawhi joining, not GOAT in his Prime Duncan.
Like Draymond Green said, if you ain't leading your team to a top defensive team, maybe you just ain't a great defender after all.
Let me ask you again. What player loss from the Spurs would have the biggest drop off in team defensive rating? Just answer that one. So people can either laugh at you, or make my point.
Yes, and Tim was STILL posting dominant stats with DeJuan Blair and busted-up Fabra playing next to him. Again, I'm surprised you didn't know that.I thought it was perfectly clear I was talking about old washed up Duncan immediately before Kawhi joining, not GOAT in his Prime Duncan.
First off, Draymond. Second off, Kawhi's clearly not leading anyone defensively. Just too many teammates having better defensive years than him while he's posting career lows.Like Draymond Green said, if you ain't leading your team to a top defensive team, maybe you just ain't a great defender after all.
WTF does that even mean?
How was our team defensive rating huh?
Meaning he was still among the league leaders in defensive stats despite having a MUCH, MUCH worse supporting cast than Kawhi has.WTF does that even mean?
It was fine, actually. Hovered between 5-12. His DRtg and on-offs were great.How was our team defensive rating huh?
Seriously, this ting on Tim to pump up Kawhi is a really bad idea.
You don't actually know?
We're talking about defense dumbass. And he did have a resurgence defensively. That is FAcTS. Are you denying them?
I'm still waiting.Let me ask you again. What player loss from the Spurs would have the biggest drop off in team defensive rating? Just answer that one. So people can either laugh at you, or make my point.
Look, you don't need to answer it. It basically solidifies my point anyways if you don't answer it either.
Did you want 2010-2011 only? They were 11th. And Tim was the best defender on that team posting a DRtg of 100 (WAY better than what the Spurs are putting up this season).You don't actually know?
Dude, stop being a . I'm answering you in good faith, and you can't stop acting like a ing five-year-old. Tim never fell off defensively until he FELL OFF last year. Tim's DBPM in 2010-2011 was three times higher than Kawhi's is this season. That was the best it had been in years. It actually fell off Kawhi's first year and came back after that.We're talking about defense dumbass.
He did have a resurgence when he got healthy. You can see it the year before Kawhi even got on the team.And he did have a resurgence defensively.
I'm not denying that Kawhi helped Tim. I am denying that Tim was some floundering player without Kawhi. Tim without Kawhi, even as an injured old man, was a better defender than Kawhi has been this year. In the same way that Dedmon is helping Kawhi recover his defensive numbers, Kawhi helped Tim. But looking at Kawhi's drop-off in the face of an elite team, it seems like Tim helped him way more than the other way around.Are you denying them?
You still side stepping?Let me ask you again. What player loss from the Spurs would have the biggest drop off in team defensive rating? Just answer that one. So people can either laugh at you, or make my point.
Pretty much agree with Chinook here. This doesn't even mean Kawhi is bad or anything at all.
yeah they gonna give it to green. Gotta prop up those Warriors. Every 6 or 7 years the league has a team in which they give all the bull calls to in order to sell their ty nba product to the casual fans
lmao Spur fans dissing Duncan now to prop up Kawhi "outplayed by Matt Barnes" LeonardWhere was Dedmon before Kawhi?
Where was old bag tim duncan without Kawhi.
These players get a resurgence playing next to Kawhi. hmmm why is that?
I'm pretty sure Dedmon would laugh at you if you told him he was a better defender than Kawhi this year.
pathetic
Calling it now barring injury Kawhi will 3-peat and Draymond's momma will have another twitter meltdown. Gobert is deserving but not enough hype for him to win this year.
Really? Chinook has said in every f...season that Kawhi didn't deserve DPOY.
He said in 2016 that Tim was Spurs best defender and the previous season it was...Danny.
According to him, Kawhi NEVER has been the best defender on his own team.
Remember...Chinook was the guy who said two years ago that Kawhi's D was overrated when he had a historic season on D.
Last edited by YGWHI; 02-20-2017 at 09:14 PM.
Should be.
The same "dirty" argument that people and the media used against Bruce should apply to Dray. But they're giving the award to a defender who kicks other guys in their nuts now.
I guess if Bruce were a Warrior this season...he will win it, nobody would question him.
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