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    So let's say teams started calling trying to buy Simmons'. What is the least you'd take for him?
    Boston have load of picks in 2nd round. If one of them is mid 2nd round, well. And Boston should unload one of their players, from that stack roster. Rozier or Young. This could be part of bigger Celtics trade, since they`ll probably trade Bradley/Crowder/Smart for Butler. Adding Simmons energy, defense, could help them.

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    Larry Bird
    It`s good trade, if Pacers are giving them mid 1st round pick with TOP 3 protection, just in case.

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    Don't mind trading for Okafor, but a young Al Jefferson after you just signed the real Al Jefferson to 10 mil/year..

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    Dont get it. Sure put Spurs there, knowing they have none assets to go for player like Favours

    But det core tho

    STPokemon would find some way to spin this if the Spurs traded for him.

    http://www.si.com/nba/2017/02/21/nba...s-primer-teams

    That's the link to Mal's snippet.

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    we aren't moving the Juice for no other reason than how well he played against the Dubs in game one of the season, if he is a problem for them that is reason enough to keep him over the ham sandwich we would get as compensation for trading him.

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    Spurs could move their pick, Green is 10 mil available filler. Other assets - Dedmon, Mills, Simmon, Anderson, Milutinov. Bufford is probably not having his phone in his pocket.

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    If the Spurs do anything, it'll be a small swap for misfits like in 2013 with Daye/De Colo. I think it's an chance to be opportunistic

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    Favors needs to show he can be heathy first, but I like him. Will like to see where he is next October or so.

    Then Spurs can then ship LMA to Phoenix for assets (*stirs pot*)

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    If the Spurs do anything, it'll be a small swap for misfits like in 2013 with Daye/De Colo. I think it's an chance to be opportunistic
    2014 but yeah. Don't see that being an option this year. The Spurs have young guys at every position except maybe center.

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    Why would SA want more bigs? They're already loaded in the frontcourt, even the 5th big would be getting minutes on most teams..
    It probably has to do with general trend/direction of the NBA,but who would have thought the Spurs would cope with the decline and eventual retirement of Duncan better than that of Parker/Ginobili? For a third straight playoffs they are going to die there because their lack of answers in the back-court..

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    I'd be shocked if the Spurs made a move. Last season, an established wing shooter stuck out like a sore thumb. This season, there's no glaring hole, from a depth perspective.

    Favors, if he can get healthy and at least close to where he was, would actually be a near ideal long term compliment to Aldridge (or Gasol, though he's too old to call it long term). The irony is, the only way he ends up a Spur anytime soon, is if Aldridge wants out. In that scenario, the 3 way trade I proposed a few months ago (contingent on Favors/Burks health and extent of recovery: Aldridge to Suns; Favors/Burks to Spurs; Bender to Jazz), would make sense . . .

    - Spurs get Aldridge/Ginobili replacements and remain one of better teams
    - Suns get established star and Aldridge gets to go to team he nearly chose
    - Jazz get out from a lot of money, making it more palatable to re-sign Hayward, Hill and eventually Hood, plus get a possible better long term fit next to Gobert.


    - If Bird were intelligent, he'd realize there's no immediate path back to contention and the writing is on the wall with George. The sooner they come to grips with that, the more they can maximize the return from the Celtics. If one of the Nets picks became as good as advertised, then between that, Turner and the other quality pieces in the package, they could be well on their way to a quick re-build.

    - Forman and Paxson should do the same with Butler, though he's locked up for longer and seems to want to stay, at least for now.

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    If the Spurs do anything, it'll be a small swap for misfits like in 2013 with Daye/De Colo. I think it's an chance to be opportunistic
    And they really only did that bc De Colo asked to be traded bc he wanted to go back to Europe bc he wasn't playing for Pop at all. And the Spurs arguably got a worse player for him in Daye but it didn't matter bc neither guy was going to play.

    Any of those guys in small contracts are not going to get traded by themselves... so its going to be crickets.

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    will the Lakers be willing to lose Lou now that Magic is in charge? before now I thought the game plan was tank to keep the pick but now I am not sure Magic's ego will let the Lakers go on a losing streak after he comes in.

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    ^^

    it is now a striking reality that Dallas are the worst team in the Southwest division and have by far the worst future outlook of all those teams...

    Cuban and the Mavs FO have had this undeserved "smart rep" attached to them for bit too long..they went from NBA champions to a bottom 5 conference team in matter of 6 years before Dirk even retires..
    Ironically it's because they did what every fan on here wants SA to do every year which is chase big names and always try to make splashy moves, blow everything up. Hopefully SA fans see how that works out the vast majority of the time.

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    Ironically it's because they did what every fan on here wants SA to do every year which is chase big names and always try to make splashy moves, blow everything up. Hopefully SA fans see how that works out the vast majority of the time.

    Dallas blew up a reigning Championship team. The Spurs had sort of a unique opportunity, because they could have kept an incredibly strong nucleus. There's a big difference between blowing a team up, and taking a year to rebuild.

    I've tried to figure out what the Cuban was thinking. The only thing I could come up with is that he saw the repeat offender tax coming, but didn't see the big increase in cap coming. If that's not it, then either he was just a dumb who got lucky making all that money, or he was having cash flow problems at the time.

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    Ironically it's because they did what every fan on here wants SA to do every year which is chase big names and always try to make splashy moves, blow everything up. Hopefully SA fans see how that works out the vast majority of the time.
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    Spurs could move their pick, Green is 10 mil available filler. Other assets - Dedmon, Mills, Simmon, Anderson, Milutinov. Bufford is probably not having his phone in his pocket.
    You know guys in the fringes are not going to net you a contributor by themselves (Anderson, Forbes, etc, and Milutinov is not even looking like all that much in Europe, he could be LJC part 2. I mean I hope not, but Spurs are not getting anything for him by himself you know that. He might not even be an NBA player, we don't know.)

    Then all of Dedmon, Mills and Simmons are FA in the summer. If you want them and you are a GM you just go after them in the summer. (Simmons is a RFA, but he can be pried away bc I don't think the Spurs would aim to retain him at any price.) It is just unnecessary if you are a GM to be giving up assets for any of these guys when they will be FA in the summer.

    That is why trades for Mills don't make any sense. How is he any different from Lou Williams for the Lakers. If the Lakers trade Lou they will want a real asset, a promising youngster, etc. (not Anderson, bc they have Ingram.. You have to give up a young asset for Lou for example, Mills isn't it when he's going to be a FA just as well. And you are not arguing lets give up DAvis or Dijon for Lou? right? So there is no trade there.

    What is the point of discussing the other rotation players if we know Pop and RC are not looking to trade them out? I mean we could talk about the rotation players being involved in trades like Danny, but we haven't heard even the slightest rumor that any of those guys are up for trade.

    The only rumor was for lamarcus if we are honest.

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    i don't mind getting matt barnes but only if we can get derrick fisher too.

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    You know guys in the fringes are not going to net you a contributor by themselves (Anderson, Forbes, etc, and Milutinov is not even looking like all that much in Europe, he could be LJC part 2. I mean I hope not, but Spurs are not getting anything for him by himself you know that. He might not even be an NBA player, we don't know.)

    Then all of Dedmon, Mills and Simmons are FA in the summer. If you want them and you are a GM you just go after them in the summer. (Simmons is a RFA, but he can be pried away bc I don't think the Spurs would aim to retain him at any price.) It is just unnecessary if you are a GM to be giving up assets for any of these guys when they will be FA in the summer.

    That is why trades for Mills don't make any sense. How is he any different from Lou Williams for the Lakers. If the Lakers trade Lou they will want a real asset, a promising youngster, etc. (not Anderson, bc they have Ingram.. You have to give up a young asset for Lou for example, Mills isn't it when he's going to be a FA just as well. And you are not arguing lets give up DAvis or Dijon for Lou? right? So there is no trade there.

    What is the point of discussing the other rotation players if we know Pop and RC are not looking to trade them out? I mean we could talk about the rotation players being involved in trades like Danny, but we haven't heard even the slightest rumor that any of those guys are up for trade.

    The only rumor was for lamarcus if we are honest.
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    IMO, Spurs cannot trade any guards/ball handlers unless they improve their on court product or get a top 20 pick.

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    But honestly, Im coming around more to trading Mills to open up time for Murray. At first I was really against trading Mills for a pick, but now? I think the Spurs need a jolt and Murray is the only one I can see that can possibly provide that.

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    But honestly, Im coming around more to trading Mills to open up time for Murray. At first I was really against trading Mills for a pick, but now? I think the Spurs need a jolt and Murray is the only one I can see that can possibly provide that.

    I read the first sentence about freeing up time for Murray, and it sounded like getting ready for next season. But then you talked about "needing a jolt" - you're talking about rolling the dice on a rookie for this post-season?

    I've said all along, Mills isn't a PG and I don't think Tony can keep up the necessary level of play for four 7-game series against playoff teams. I was in favor of a rebuilding year. But since they didn't do that, I'd much rather see them roll the dice than die a slow death.

    The big problem with Murray is that he just about doesn't shoot anything but floaters, unless he has a clear lane to get to the rim. The last few times I've seen him, it was pretty obvious that the defense understood that, too. Making a move toward him would be one of a commitment.

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    But honestly, Im coming around more to trading Mills to open up time for Murray. At first I was really against trading Mills for a pick, but now? I think the Spurs need a jolt and Murray is the only one I can see that can possibly provide that.
    I've felt this for the past 3 months. I hope it happens. Murray in the rotation at back up PG gives the Spurs a higher ceiling overall. It's worth the gamble considering his skill set and how he's NOT a net negative defensively.

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    I read the first sentence about freeing up time for Murray, and it sounded like getting ready for next season. But then you talked about "needing a jolt" - you're talking about rolling the dice on a rookie for this post-season?

    I've said all along, Mills isn't a PG and I don't think Tony can keep up the necessary level of play for four 7-game series against playoff teams. I was in favor of a rebuilding year. But since they didn't do that, I'd much rather see them roll the dice than die a slow death.

    The big problem with Murray is that he just about doesn't shoot anything but floaters, unless he has a clear lane to get to the rim. The last few times I've seen him, it was pretty obvious that the defense understood that, too. Making a move toward him would be one of a commitment.
    I agree and I don't think SA will trade Mills for a pick for that exact reason. However, if SA could get a top 20 pick for Mills I would do it. I don't think the teams ceiling this year would be that much lower without Mills. Probably would be and Im probably underselling Mills at the moment. But Murray at least, even if it's a slim chance this year, has a higher ceiling. With what he can do getting to the basket, rebounding and defensively? Might be something that up's the bench's ceiling and helps in case TP goes down this year with him being more ready.

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    https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/s...01053692325889

    Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
    49s The Lakers are finalizing a trade to send guard Lou Williams to the Houston Rockets, league sources tell @TheVertical.

    Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
    10s The Rockets are sending Corey Brewer and a first-round pick to the Lakers for Lou Williams, league source tells @TheVertical.





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