Trade Deadline Watch

[cd98]

Spurs don't really have any trade assets, and what they got won't give them a player that makes them better than GSW. Spurs will be bargain shoppers in the buyout group.

[Holden_Caulfield]

lebron wont be as good in a couple years. if im boston i would keep the picks. i doubt pg13 is enough to overthrow the cavs the next two years.

[baseline bum]

I also hope Houston trades Beverly for Shumpert. I think it hurts both teams. Shump is Clevelands best wing defender sans Lebron and Houston would have no one to really guard the opposing teams point guard. If they draw OKC in rd 1 Westbrook would have it easy without Beverly defending him.

Cleveland desperately needs a point guard after Mo Williams 86'ed his season on the first day of training camp.

[mo7888]

Cleveland desperately needs a point guard after Mo Williams 86'ed his season on the first day of training camp.

I agree that they desperately need a PG but, they also need a wing stopper to take pressure off of Lebron. It's a tough situation.

[HarlemHeat37]

I would only give up Bradley if it means the Celtics could give up a different first instead of the Brooklyn one. Bradley is going to have a lot of value next year and I doubt he can command a max contract next summer with the cap flattening out.

They're gonna have to give somebody up, though, in addition to the draft pick(s)..the options are Bradley, Crowder, Smart and Brown..

I'm not giving up Brown, right now..no way I'm trading Crowder when he's locked in for 4 years on one of the best contracts in the NBA..

It's Bradley or Smart..equal defensively, Bradley is obviously much better on offense, but Smart will probably be affordable, whereas Bradley is going to command big money according to most credible writers with front office sources that have discussed this(Lowe, Stein, etc)..

If I'm Indiana, I'm fine with Bradley/Amir/Brooklyn pick..I'm cool with that if I'm Boston, too, IMO..

Teague
Bradley
Turner
+ Brooklyn pick

That's a pretty good core, moving forward, if the pick can get you a superstar..

[apalisoc_9]

I wouldn't trade Bradley, especially with the cap flattening out for a couple of years. I don't think he'll cost as much next summer as he would have last. If they decide to not keep him for 2018-19 he'd become a really valuable trading piece next year too with a $9 million expiring contract.

Heard woj and stein talking about letting gonof Bradley..I think its the best thing to do. I think Bradley will cost a lot, plus they need to trade him.now before teams realise how Injury prone he is. His achilees is aparently broke.

Best indiana can do is get Bradley, a pick and a jerebko expiring and other filler.

Boston has a few expirings.

I'm surprised no one has tried calling them for 12 million dolllars of expiring Amir Johnson. Portland should have made a serious offer...should have cut all the expenses.

[SAGirl]

Would be pretty surprised if they give up Beverley for Shumpert, I'd much rather have the former..

I prefer Bev too. He's a tough pit bull who competes... with their team, they needed that mentality from someone..

[baseline bum]

They're gonna have to give somebody up, though, in addition to the draft pick(s)..the options are Bradley, Crowder, Smart and Brown..

I'm not giving up Brown, right now..no way I'm trading Crowder when he's locked in for 4 years on one of the best contracts in the NBA..

It's Bradley or Smart..equal defensively, Bradley is obviously much better on offense, but Smart will probably be affordable, whereas Bradley is going to command big money according to most credible writers that have discussed this(Lowe, Stein, etc)..

Bradley isn't up for free agency until 2018 and could be a huge trading piece next summer with his expiring contract. They don't need to give up Crowder, Brown, or Bradley when they're offering a Brooklyn pick that is going to be top 3 in a strong draft. They can match salary on a deal for Butler or George with Amir Johnson and Smart, and Johnson is an expiring contract. Or they could do Amir Johnson and Jerebko along with the Brooklyn first if Chicago/Indiana doesn't like Smart and just wants expirings.

[Chinook]

I'd take Smart and move Teague if I were Indy. Honestly, I would want Smart, Brown and a Brooklyn pick if I were either Chicago or Indy. Either will be able to get a better package during the draft, because you know the Lakers are going to be willing to trade their pick.

[apalisoc_9]

Would be funny to see Houston collapse to fourth or fifth seed

[baseline bum]

I'm surprised no one has tried calling them for 12 million dolllars of expiring Amir Johnson. Portland should have made a serious offer...should have cut all the expenses.

I'm sure lots of teams have, but Amir Johnson is how they get Butler or George so no way Ainge is dumping him anywhere else.

[baseline bum]

I'd take Smart and move Teague if I were Indy. Honestly, I would want Smart, Brown and a Brooklyn pick if I were either Chicago or Indy. Either will be able to get a better package during the draft, because you know the Lakers are going to be willing to trade their pick.

I would want Brown and the pick too, but good luck getting Ainge to give that. The Brooklyn pick alone is a fair offer for a vet they don't want to build around with how good this draft is supposed to be.

[mo7888]

I would want Brown and the pick too, but good luck getting Ainge to give that. The Brooklyn pick alone is a fair offer for a vet they don't want to build around with how good this draft is supposed to be.

It doesn't matter what we think a fair offer is...what matters is what can Indiana get elsewhere? They can certainly get more than just the Brooklyn pick. At this point there is risk with that pick. It might not even be top 3...the Philly, or Phoenix, or LA pick could be higher so, if Boston wants the deal now they should have to pay more because Indiana can get a better deal than the Brooklyn pick plus filler.

[Chinook]

I would want Brown and the pick too, but good luck getting Ainge to give that. The Brooklyn pick alone is a fair offer for a vet they don't want to build around with how good this draft is supposed to be.

But it's much better to wait until after the lottery if you're just going for the pick. I'd assume any of the teams at the top of the draft would be willing to trade that pick for PG. Ainge doesn't really have the leverage he thinks he does, which is why he hasn't been able to make a deal yet.

[baseline bum]

It doesn't matter what we think a fair offer is...what matters is what can Indiana get elsewhere? They can certainly get more than just the Brooklyn pick. At this point there is risk with that pick. It might not even be top 3...the Philly, or Phoenix, or LA pick could be higher so, if Boston wants the deal now they should have to pay more because Indiana can get a better deal than the Brooklyn pick plus filler.

What better deal are they going to get than a top 3 pick in a stacked draft, cap relief, and maybe a young player like Smart?

[SAGirl]

But it's much better to wait until after the lottery if you're just going for the pick. I'd assume any of the teams at the top of the draft would be willing to trade that pick for PG. Ainge doesn't really have the leverage he thinks he does, which is why he hasn't been able to make a deal yet.

I really don't want him to fleece anyone.
Chicago is reluctant to do deals anyways, and they also tend to overvalue their players based on recent seasons so I am less concerned about them getting fleeced. If anything they will hold out for exactly what they want and Butler is in a good deal for several seasons and supposedly happy to stay in Chicago.

Bird with George is in a more difficult situation. Bird hasn't exactly been smart with anything he's done lately and I think he has alienated George every season, first with blowing up a team that got to the ECF twice, then with the way the veterans were treated, their coach, the way George was made to play at a spot he clearly didn't want to (reminds me of Lamarcus not wanting to be a center, but in George's case it was move overtly made clear and a real issue). George making it known not even a whole ton of money more is going to get him to stay in Indiana if Bird doesn't turn things around with them... he's unhappy there. Anyways, I do feel like Bird is the one more likely to get fleeced.

Frankly these fleecings are not good for the NBA compe iveness and overall product.

[baseline bum]

But it's much better to wait until after the lottery if you're just going for the pick. I'd assume any of the teams at the top of the draft would be willing to trade that pick for PG. Ainge doesn't really have the leverage he thinks he does, which is why he hasn't been able to make a deal yet.

If you're Indiana you gotta be scared of Chicago taking Ainge's offer, and vice-versa. If it was just Indiana or just Chicago looking to dump their star player in a full rebuild I would completely agree with you here, but when the other team can swoop in and take that pick there is some urgency to get the deal done.

[Chinook]

If you're Indiana you gotta be scared of Chicago taking Ainge's offer, and vice-versa. If it was just Indiana or just Chicago looking to dump their star player in a full rebuild I would completely agree with you here, but when the other team can swoop in and take that pick there is some urgency to get the deal done.

If Boston isn't offering more than they Brooklyn pick, then really doesn't matter if Chicago takes the offer. Someone else at the top of the draft in June will beat that.

[baseline bum]

At this point there is risk with that pick. It might not even be top 3...the Philly, or Phoenix, or LA pick could be higher so

Crap, I didn't realize the odds of the Nets getting #4 were 35.7%. I was thinking it was extremely low odds since it would require three teams leapfrogging into the top 3, but it's higher than I thought.

[Chinook]

I really don't want him to fleece anyone.
Chicago is reluctant to do deals anyways, and they also tend to overvalue their players based on recent seasons so I am less concerned about them getting fleeced. If anything they will hold out for exactly what they want and Butler is in a good deal for several seasons and supposedly happy to stay in Chicago.

Bird with George is in a more difficult situation. Bird hasn't exactly been smart with anything he's done lately and I think he has alienated George every season, first with blowing up a team that got to the ECF twice, then with the way the veterans were treated, their coach, the way George was made to play at a spot he clearly didn't want to (reminds me of Lamarcus not wanting to be a center, but in George's case it was move overtly made clear and a real issue). George making it known not even a whole ton of money more is going to get him to stay in Indiana if Bird doesn't turn things around with them... he's unhappy there. Anyways, I do feel like Bird is the one more likely to get fleeced.

Frankly these fleecings are not good for the NBA compe iveness and overall product.

I don't doubt it. Indy already has a decent building block for the future too, so they might be more inclined to start tanking than Chicago is.

[Spurs9]

Lakers trying to get PG13

[baseline bum]

If Boston isn't offering more than they Brooklyn pick, then really doesn't matter if Chicago takes the offer. Someone else at the top of the draft in June will beat that.

I guess Magic might be stupid enough to make that offer if LA keeps their pick, but otherwise George/Butler aren't franchise guys to build around. Boston is in a unique spot where they're a really solid team that needs someone to put them over the top and make them a real championship contender, and this draft is PG heavy at the top while they're set there with Thomas. I don't think a team like Orlando, Phoenix, Philly, or Dallas would be interested in trading for those guys. Minnesota probably would if they can leapfrog someone into the top 3.

[spursistan]

But it's much better to wait until after the lottery if you're just going for the pick. I'd assume any of the teams at the top of the draft would be willing to trade that pick for PG. Ainge doesn't really have the leverage he thinks he does, which is why he hasn't been able to make a deal yet.

Exactly, Ainge leverage is being overrated with regard to both Butler/pg13..Magic and the Lakers are getting on it RIGHT NOW...Whiffing on Cousins led to Mitch/Jim heads rolling..they are desperate for "star", and will probably sell the farm for him..

. The fact that the Lakers are in the process of trying to land George right now, with new lead executive Magic Johnsonmoving fast to fill that superstar hole that Kobe Bryant left behind, only makes these next two days all the more compelling.
Magic & Bird, together again as NBA power brokers, on Day No. 2 of Johnson’s new job. You can’t make this stuff up.

[Chinook]

I guess Magic might be stupid enough to make that offer if LA keeps their pick, but otherwise George/Butler aren't a franchise guys to build around. Boston is in a unique spot where they're a really solid team that needs someone to put them over the top and make them a real championship contender, and this draft is PG heavy at the top while they're set there with Thomas. I don't think a team like Orlando, Phoenix, Philly, or Dallas would be interested in trading for those guys. Minnesota probably would if they can leapfrog someone into the top 3.

-Orlando did just trade for Ibaka, so I wouldn't rule them out.

-Phoenix has an aging back-court and a number of young bigs. I definitely think they'd do it. , some Suns fans have suggested they'd be fine with their team trading that pick for LMA, so you know they'd be okay with George.

-Dallas is a wildcard for sure. While it might seem like they should rebuild, Matthews, George, Barnes and cap space is probably the most interesting foundation they've had for years.

-Philly probably would trade their pick and more for Butler. Adding George would be tricky, since he'd be an expiring. But I do think they consider Embiid and Simmons to be their core, so it's not obvious they'll be obsessed with using their pick, especially if they have two in the top five.

-Then of course, you have LA.

Definitely don't think Indy has anything to worry about in terms of finding trade value.

[SAGirl]

If Ainge is playing hardball he will whiff on these guys again and be stuck with youngsters that don't fit their timeline and more picks/young players than they can develop.