Trade Deadline Watch

[coachmac87]

That's because you're a try hard dumbass.

Anyways,

KCP is an expiring next year. PATFO isnt going to dish out money on an unproven player in a spurs structure.

I'm a try hard dumbass??

[coachmac87]

Why? He is not much of a shooter.

He's a better shooter than Simmons, Ginobili, Anderson and during stretches Danny Green.

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[SAGirl]

Regardless of what any of us think I do believe retaining Mills is a priority for SA. Whether we agree with that or not is another topic.

I Started the season with that mindset but I have wavered. He's not a star and stars are the only ones who are irreplaceable and you pay for. Overpaying for roleplayers leads to regret when they can't live up to the big contract. It's really possible that Murray is a better player soon and Bertans can shoot very well and is more dynamic. I would not overpay him....

One cannot guess Pop's mind though bc of his other intangibles (personality, team player, etc)

From Mills PoV it's also unknown bc he has ambitions as well he should. Remember I.Thomas once... one cannot tell if he could be starting in another team.

[SAGirl]

He's a better shooter than Simmons, Ginobili, Anderson and during stretches Danny Green.

He is emerging as the Pistons best player and is still young. I don't think Spurs have the assets to get in that.
To me it looks like Pistons making noise to compete with CHi and Indy for a trade partner looking for a wing.... I suspect they want a high lotto pick.

[sasaint]

He's a better shooter than Simmons, Ginobili, Anderson and during stretches Danny Green.

Maybe Simmons and Anderson. But Ginobili and Green are much better 3-ball shooters. "During stretches" is not a good argument. "During stretches" everybody in the NBA is a better shooter than everybody else.

[SAGirl]

Why? He is not much of a shooter.

He has had a good season in Reggie Jackson's absence. Was looking like the Pistons best player at times. Could be a fluke who knows?

[sasaint]

He has had a good season in Reggie Jackson's absence. Was looking like the Pistons best player at times. Could be a fluke who knows?

I have only seen him against the Spurs, but he seems like a project to me. We have decent projects of our own.

[DPG21920]

I Started the season with that mindset but I have wavered. He's not a star and stars are the only ones who are irreplaceable and you pay for. Overpaying for roleplayers leads to regret when they can't live up to the big contract. It's really possible that Murray is a better player soon and Bertans can shoot very well and is more dynamic. I would not overpay him....

One cannot guess Pop's mind though bc of his other intangibles (personality, team player, etc)

From Mills PoV it's also unknown bc he has ambitions as well he should. Remember I.Thomas once... one cannot tell if he could be starting in another team.

It's a combo of cir stance and marketplace. Spurs usually aren't in the business of losing good assets for nothing. The fact that Manu is likely retired, TP is no longer starter quality and Murray so raw? Mills probably is a priority. Couple that with the fact losing Manu the year after Tim will wear on Pop and he will want as much continuity as possible along with needing guards and having little to no wiggle room next year with the cap? Mills is a priority (plus he's been a great player and teammate).

[coachmac87]

He is emerging as the Pistons best player and is still young. I don't think Spurs have the assets to get in that.
To me it looks like Pistons making noise to compete with CHi and Indy for a trade partner looking for a wing.... I suspect they want a high lotto pick.

They want a first round pick and a "front court" player. I don't think its realistic by any means but with KCP being a restricted FA this summer I dunno if DET can get what they truly want. But if it somehow happens I think KCP can be a great 6th man or potential Green replacement down the road..

[Chinook]

Pistons are desperately trying to clear cap space to throw Dedmon a max offer this summer.

[sasaint]

It's a combo of cir stance and marketplace. Spurs usually aren't in the business of losing good assets for nothing. The fact that Manu is likely retired, TP is no longer starter quality and Murray so raw? Mills probably is a priority. Couple that with the fact losing Manu the year after Tim will wear on Pop and he will want as much continuity as possible along with needing guards and having little to no wiggle room next year with the cap? Mills is a priority (plus he's been a great player and teammate).

You make an interesting assumption - that Pop will return next year. The guy is getting older and more irascible by the second. Some day in the not-so-distant future Pop won't be around. I think he will be next season, but who is to say that he will hang around in order for Manu's (presumed) retirement next season to "wear" on him?

[SAGirl]

I have only seen him against the Spurs, but he seems like a project to me. We have decent projects of our own.

He's a More dynamic player than say Danny for example an His breakout has really been this season. He wasn't shooting this well last season, and has flourished when the system was altered bc Reggie was injured. It's possible there's untapped potential there which goes with your project comment but there's upside for sure.

It doesn't matter bc I don't think Spurs have assets to make that trade.

[coachmac87]

Maybe Simmons and Anderson. But Ginobili and Green are much better 3-ball shooters. "During stretches" is not a good argument. "During stretches" everybody in the NBA is a better shooter than everybody else.

Danny and KCP are different type of shooters....KCP can shoot the 3 better off the dribble and when he gets run off the line he can pull up in the midrange. Danny is strictly a catch and shoot guy which is great if he's ON..but we alllllll know how cold he can get and become worthless on offense at times

[sasaint]

Pistons are desperately trying to clear cap space to throw Dedmon a max offer this summer.

To add to their collection!

[DPG21920]

You make an interesting assumption - that Pop will return next year. The guy is getting older and more irascible by the second. Some day in the not-so-distant future Pop won't be around. I think he will be next season, but who is to say that he will hang around in order for Manu's (presumed) retirement next season to "wear" on him?

True, but I don't feel that is a big assumption with Pop's extension and his commitment to finish out that deal seeming pretty firm. Things can change for sure, but making an educated guess? Pop is here next year no matter what.

[cd98]

Pistons are desperately trying to clear cap space to throw Dedmon a max offer this summer.

Thats what they do every offseason...overpay Spur bigs. But SA will keep Dedmon, I think.

[DPG21920]

Danny and KCP are different type of shooters....KCP can shoot the 3 better off the dribble and when he gets run off the line he can pull up in the midrange. Danny is strictly a catch and shoot guy which is great if he's ON..but we alllllll know how cold he can get and become worthless on offense at times

Danny is never worthless on offense. Even when he's "off" guys account for him. That has value.

[Chinook]

Danny is never worthless on offense. Even when he's "off" guys account for him. That has value.

I don't think there's a concept that's harder to grasp in basketball than shooting mechanics/spacing.

[DPG21920]

I don't think there's a concept that's harder to grasp in basketball than shooting mechanics/spacing.

It is very tough. Especially for guys like Mills and Danny. I even fall into the trap (at least I admit it) where I under value Mills. However, I don't do that with Danny as a whole because he's earned my trust not only in the biggest moments, but on defense as well.

Mills doesn't provide all around value like Danny which is where my doubts creep in (even though the spacing issue and defense are completely separate issues).

[sasaint]

Danny and KCP are different type of shooters....KCP can shoot the 3 better off the dribble and when he gets run off the line he can pull up in the midrange. Danny is strictly a catch and shoot guy which is great if he's ON..but we alllllll know how cold he can get and become worthless on offense at times

Granted they are different type scorers. As the stats show, Danny is a better shooter. So, I guess it depends on what you value most. And that doesn't take D into consideration. I certainly would not value KCP so highly that I would trade Danny for him (assuming such a trade worked), but I would consider the other guys you brought up (except we allllll know PATFO will not trade Manu).

[DPG21920]

You only trade Danny if you get a young piece that you firmly believe is the key to fortifying the future backcourt/frontcourt.

[coachmac87]

Granted they are different type scorers. As the stats show, Danny is a better shooter. So, I guess it depends on what you value most. And that doesn't take D into consideration. I certainly would not value KCP so highly that I would trade Danny for him (assuming such a trade worked), but I would consider the other guys you brought up (except we allllll know PATFO will not trade Manu).

I wouldn't trade Danny for KCP...but would I give up a first for him and roll the dice this offseason?? Yeah...I think I would (Manu/Simmons) replacement..

Anderson/Simmons + 1st is best realistic offer Spurs could offer. Does that get it done though?? NO

I'm kinda just fantasizing about KCP on this team btw lol

[Chinook]

It is very tough. Especially for guys like Mills and Danny. I even fall into the trap (at least I admit it) where I under value Mills. However, I don't do that with Danny as a whole because he's earned my trust not only in the biggest moments, but on defense as well.

Mills doesn't provide all around value like Danny which is where my doubts creep in (even though the spacing issue and defense are completely separate issues).

I don't even mean that people underrate it. I just feel a lot of people don't even know what it is.

[SAGirl]

It's a combo of cir stance and marketplace. Spurs usually aren't in the business of losing good assets for nothing. The fact that Manu is likely retired, TP is no longer starter quality and Murray so raw? Mills probably is a priority. Couple that with the fact losing Manu the year after Tim will wear on Pop and he will want as much continuity as possible along with needing guards and having little to no wiggle room next year with the cap? Mills is a priority (plus he's been a great player and teammate).

Probably.
Also so long as he doesn't get injured and his shot is still on he's not untradeable after the contract like Diaw in case things don't work out.
I am also of the mindset Pop will want Dijon to play with a vet guard next to him.. whoever that is.