Trade Deadline Watch

[tbdog]

If you were the gm, would you make the call?

[sasaint]

In the context of the dialog, KCP was the unstated benchmark. Thus: if Danny's stats would have been worse than KCP's while playing with Jackson...

[TheDoctor]

In the context of the dialog, KCP was the unstated benchmark. Thus: if Danny's stats would have been worse than KCP's while playing with Jackson...

Thnx for taking the time to explain it

[sasaint]

No...It's not really an argument. It's a statement in the sense that KCP emerged as a more dynamic offensive player in a system that gave him opportunities to make decisions with the ball to the point he was efficiently scoring and creating for others, making passes to cutters, etc. None of those things you saw when he played as a set shooter off a ball dominant guard which Reggie Jackson is. Basically he has more potential than being a set spot up shooter.

In Reggies absence he showed he's more dynamic. He could make good choices in the PnR, could find a cutter, etc. Frankly the Pistons were better when they played off their wings and forwards than they were playing off Reggie which in part caused Reggie to be traded IMO.

I am not underselling Danny but I do think KCP is a more versatile offensive player who probably has potential that wasn't known bc the system didn't call for him to do these things previously.... or maybe he's just having a good season... but he's at that age when growth like this is not impossible or uncommon.

Not to split hairs, but you really are posing an argument. The dialog was not about KCP per se, but a comparison between him and Danny, which is a hypothetical, since Danny hasn't actually played with Jackson. Beyond that I agree with what you are saying about KCP. However, acquiring him at the cost of Danny or Mills + Simmons (+ a first ), would be a gamble I would probably not take - especially if you believe (as Chinook does) that KCP will command a max deal in the off-season.

[sasaint]

Thnx for taking the time to explain it

Happy to.

[SAGirl]

Way so. It would have a be a pretty good prospect of borderline starter at a position of need (who was locked up for at least another year) for me to do that trade.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...01/splits/2017

Dunno if KCP is that. His splits are fine, but it doesn't look like he was anything more than average. He and RJ have struggled together, whereas he played well with Ish. Not sure how that would bode for him in the Spurs' system. Feel like if Green were on the Pistons, he would have had the opposite results, and that seems more desirable.

Spurs Lack in perimeter versatility and creation... That will be more evident when Manu retires.

[gambit1990]

it's really gonna suck having parker's contract on the books this summer.

[SAGirl]

Not to split hairs, but you really are posing an argument. The dialog was not about KCP per se, but a comparison between him and Danny, which is a hypothetical, since Danny hasn't actually played with Jackson. Beyond that I agree with what you are saying about KCP. However, acquiring him at the cost of Danny or Mills + Simmons (+ a first ), would be a gamble I would probably not take - especially if you believe (as Chinook does) that KCP will command a max deal in the off-season.

I only compared him with Danny for context not for an argument... If you want to make that an argument that's on you.

It's like comparing how Kawhi gets his looks vs how Danny gets them. Just looking at stats and percentages as a shooter without context doesn't describe much... It doesn't tell you how dynamic one or the other is or not, etc. Since you hadn't watched KCP much at all I tried to describe him for you using a point of reference that was familiar.

[sasaint]

I only compared him with Danny for context not for an argument... If you want to make that an argument that's on you.

It's like comparing how Kawhi gets his looks vs how Danny gets them. Just looking at stats and percentages as a shooter without context doesn't describe much... It doesn't tell you how dynamic one or the other is or not, etc. Since you hadn't watched KCP much at all I tried to describe him for you using a point of reference that was familiar.

? I am not using "posing an argument" in a confrontational sense. I mean it as "stating your case" or "making your point."

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

But lets say the Spurs did do the Mills-Simmons +1st for KCP...

KCP would be the 6th man THIS year and possibly going forward..and he'd replace Mills, Manu, Simmons who are all expiring etc.

I dunno what KCP would command on the market, but I think with him being only 24 he'd be a nice asset going forward with Kawhi, Murray, Green.

This is not happening tho but I do find it fun to discuss lol

Whatever team trades for KCP better be prepared to pay him the max because there are a couple of teams that will give him that in the summer. Detroit don't want to pay him the max, this is why they're shopping him. They'd be in cap . They want out of Drummond's terrible contract too.

There's no way he's worth trading assets for only to walk in the summer. And there's no way he's worth the max.

[SAGirl]

? I am not using "posing an argument" in a confrontational sense. I mean it as "stating your case" or "making your point."

Oh...ok.
I initially stated Spurs don't have the assets to get him so all this was just idle chat.

I also don't consider Mills and Simmons as guys Pistons would want bc they are also FA this off-season and will need to get paid $$.

It really comes down to if Anderson + 1st would do it for SVG or if he can do better and he might get better. Either a higher pick or a better project than Anderson.

Spurs may also just be getting ready to pay the Mills the big bucks and see what they can do about Simmons $$$$ ans just run this thing right back....
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Truth is they will have to pay somebody.

Lol that was a bit of irony. I do think they will need to add to their perimeter rotation but there can be other things they could do than KCP... even though he's dynamic... he may not be dynamic enough. It's really hard to tell the direction Spurs will take once Manu retires and how Tony does this off-season... They really need to look at updating their guards.

[sasaint]

Oh...ok.
I initially stated Spurs don't have the assets to get him so all this was just idle chat.

I also don't consider Mills and Simmons as guys Pistons would want bc they are also FA this off-season and will need to get paid $$.

It really comes down to if Anderson + 1st would do it for SVG or if he can do better and he might get better. Either a higher pick or a better project than Anderson.

Spurs may also just be getting ready to pay the Mills the big bucks and see what they can do about Simmons $$$$ ans just run this thing right back....
.
Truth is they will have to pay somebody.

Lol that was a bit of irony. I do think they will need to add to their perimeter rotation but there can be other things they could do than KCP... even though he's dynamic... he may not be dynamic enough. It's really hard to tell the direction Spurs will take once Manu retires and how Tony does this off-season... They really need to look at updating their guards.

The upgrades need to come in the form of two penetraters - one to become the playmaker of the first unit, and one to become the playmaker of the second unit. I hope Murray becomes the former and Simmons the latter. That would be the optimum for the Spurs.

[SAGirl]

The upgrades need to come in the form of two penetraters - one to become the playmaker of the first unit, and one to become the playmaker of the second unit. I hope Murray becomes the former and Simmons the latter. That would be the optimum for the Spurs.

Simms is older and has to show up in the playoffs and then we will know if he's it. Maybe Mills ends up being the casualty of having to pay guys and he does leave for role + salary. It's tough to say right now.

[TheGreatYacht]

Does SVG want an Argentinian player on the books for $14,000,000?

[Mal]

Does SVG want an Argentinian player on the books for $14,000,000?

Such player has not written full no trade clause, if he`s still able to run for 10 minutes per game in April

[ceperez]

Simms is older and has to show up in the playoffs and then we will know if he's it. Maybe Mills ends up being the casualty of having to pay guys and he does leave for role + salary. It's tough to say right now.

Simms plays with a lot more control lately. Unfortunately, teams have figured him out, so he's not as effective as he used to be.

Despite that, Spurs will need his services against a team like GSW where you have to switch.

[CGD]

Andrés Pando andresp

Encontrarte a Tim Duncan bajando de su moto con @obricio7 en una estación de servicio de Chos Malal (Neuquén). Eso es tener suerte... #NBA
Translated from Spanish by
Find Tim Duncan getting off your bike with @obricio7 at Chos Malal (Neuquén) service station. That's be lucky... #NBA

Where is he? Is he in Latin America?

[mo7888]

With all the talk of Okafor going to Chicago for some package of Mirotic and McDermott I wonder what it would take for us to Edge in on that deal to get McDermott in a Spurs uniform? Would Anderson be enough?

[Ice009]

With all the talk of Okafor going to Chicago for some package of Mirotic and McDermott I wonder what it would take for us to Edge in on that deal to get McDermott in a Spurs uniform? Would Anderson be enough?

I'd rather have Anderson. That's what I think of McDermott.

[sasaint]

Spurs Lack in perimeter versatility and creation... That will be more evident when Manu retires.

Unless Murray and/or Simmons steps up - even Kyle, to some extent.

[mo7888]

I'd rather have Anderson. That's what I think of McDermott.

I'd rather have mcdermott...much better shooter..and he won't be as hesitant as Kyle..it will force defenders to cover him and open the floor more with better spacing.

[MultiTroll]

Brook Lopez available for only one 1st and one 2nd round pick per CBS Sports.

I would think the Warriors would be all over that. Or do they want to stick with their punk thug Zacha -whatever his name is.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Brook Lopez available for only one 1st and one 2nd round pick per CBS Sports.

I would think the Warriors would be all over that. Or do they want to stick with their punk thug Zacha -whatever his name is.

You would think wrong.

[look_at_g_shred]

Do the sixers still want Manu?

[DPG21920]

Brook Lopez available for only one 1st and one 2nd round pick per CBS Sports.

I would think the Warriors would be all over that. Or do they want to stick with their punk thug Zacha -whatever his name is.

It's very rarely just that. They have to send salary out that matches Brook's as well. It would take Iggy, Zaza & Livingston to get Brook for GS in addition to the picks. They can't afford to do that.

On top of that, they need to have the cap space to max out Durant this off season and Brooks 21M would take them out of the running. So that is really not an option.