Pacers: Paul George is "fed up"..:wow

[ambchang]

Your post makes sense if you don't support the tank. But if your argument is that Lakers cannot develop talent what is to stop Cousins for doing the same thing Dwight did? Why would,he want to play with undeveloped talent? Cousins was in a bad situation but all I heard when some Laker fans were do it Mitch because his numbers were empty calories ...we don't and know we are missing out on a combo of mvpau and Rasheed Wallace.
Lakers need to taaaaaank. And pray we keep our pick. Then also need to pray one of the last 3 top picks has a breakout next year and they hit a homer with this year's pick...that would benefit Lakers more than Cousins would right now because they also keep 2019.

And not developing young players was the old way ...if they are moving to the future analytics and developing talent is a must. Besides what does it matter about Lakers past if they purged the leadership? We can only judge the new regime moving forward.

You hit the nail right on the head, Lakers have to look into player development first and foremost, but they seems to be all of a sudden clueless in how to do that. The new way seems to be sign big name, give empty promises, bilk the fans out of money, repeat. Drafting is horrible, team development is horrible, player development is horrible, scouting is horrible, FA signing is horrible. There just isn't much of a direction for the entire franchise, and the focus appears to be more and more around milking this cow dry rather than putting a good product for the fan. The approach is very short sighted, and seems to be getting as much as possible out of good will and the brand from previous success, rather than looking forward and making things better and putting out a good winning team. It explains 48.5, Byron Scott, Magic, Dwight (the new Shaq), it's about selling nostalgia than anything else.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

why not to the CLippers for Griffiths?

[Killakobe81]

You hit the nail right on the head, Lakers have to look into player development first and foremost, but they seems to be all of a sudden clueless in how to do that. The new way seems to be sign big name, give empty promises, bilk the fans out of money, repeat. Drafting is horrible, team development is horrible, player development is horrible, scouting is horrible, FA signing is horrible. There just isn't much of a direction for the entire franchise, and the focus appears to be more and more around milking this cow dry rather than putting a good product for the fan. The approach is very short sighted, and seems to be getting as much as possible out of good will and the brand from previous success, rather than looking forward and making things better and putting out a good winning team. It explains 48.5, Byron Scott, Magic, Dwight (the new Shaq), it's about selling nostalgia than anything else.

Lakers have drafted okay when they have drafted ...
Beverly, Nance, clarkson, Marc gasol, were solid picks,late most don't develop here, unfortunately.
All the the stuff you said cost Mitch and Jim...let's see what new regime can do. If the stuff you said didn't have some truth we wouldn't be here. But willing to give Pelinka, Luke and magic 4 years to turn it around ...clock started on Tuesday.

[ambchang]

Lakers have drafted okay when they have drafted ...
Beverly, Nance, clarkson, Marc gasol, were solid picks,late most don't develop here, unfortunately.
All the the stuff you said cost Mitch and Jim...let's see what new regime can do. If the stuff you said didn't have some truth we wouldn't be here. But willing to give Pelinka, Luke and magic 4 years to turn it around ...clock started on Tuesday.

I thought Gasol was drafted by the Grizzlies essentially, and Lakers just picked whoever Grizzlies wanted, but not sure about that. And same situation for Patrick Beverly but with Houston instead.

Nance is a rotational player, so is Clarkson, and those are late draft picks where you are not expecting much, but when it comes time to pick a superstar type player, Lakers faltered. Russell instead of Kristaps (hindsight for sure, but Russell never really deserved the #2 spot) Booker, Turner or even Okafor, Randle instead of Payton, Lavine, Saric (none are special but Randle is very limited). Ingram looks like a horrible pick even thought it's too early to tell, but out of all the 2016 draftees (out of 44 players) who managed to play, Ingram is second last in VORP, 35th in WS/48, and 22nd in BPM. Anyway you put it, he is having a horrible rookie season.

As for Mitch, I always thought he was a victim of cir stances. If it wasn't for the re ed Buss kids, he'd have done much better.

Pelinka is a snake, Luke seems promising, and Magic (as much as I love him as a player) just doesn't seem to be GM material.

[Killakobe81]

I thought Gasol was drafted by the Grizzlies essentially, and Lakers just picked whoever Grizzlies wanted, but not sure about that. And same situation for Patrick Beverly but with Houston instead.

Nance is a rotational player, so is Clarkson, and those are late draft picks where you are not expecting much, but when it comes time to pick a superstar type player, Lakers faltered. Russell instead of Kristaps (hindsight for sure, but Russell never really deserved the #2 spot) Booker, Turner or even Okafor, Randle instead of Payton, Lavine, Saric (none are special but Randle is very limited). Ingram looks like a horrible pick even thought it's too early to tell, but out of all the 2016 draftees (out of 44 players) who managed to play, Ingram is second last in VORP, 35th in WS/48, and 22nd in BPM. Anyway you put it, he is having a horrible rookie season.

As for Mitch, I always thought he was a victim of cir stances. If it wasn't for the re ed Buss kids, he'd have done much better.

Pelinka is a snake, Luke seems promising, and Magic (as much as I love him as a player) just doesn't seem to be GM material.

Oakafor is one of the worst defenders in the league ...Russ was rated by most just a few spots,below so dont see how that is bad drafting. They chose the third rated player over tge 2nd who is being shopped with no takers. You are wrong about marc but i dont recall pat beverly draft if that was predetermined. Lakers missing on porzy is just like people missing on Kiwi ....no one called that ...so dumb to use as an example. Booker is also horrid on defense but since he is a better shooter i agree that may have been a mistake but i dont think Russ and Randle are bad picks for sure yet... but we shall see. And as you said to early to tell on Ingram.

Magic is not the GM Pelinka is ..
Magic is in the Bird role ...

[Raven]

Oakafor is one of the worst defenders in the league ...Russ was rated by most just a few spots,below so dont see how that is bad drafting. They chose the third rated player over tge 2nd who is being shopped with no takers. You are wrong about marc but i dont recall pat beverly draft if that was predetermined. Lakers missing on porzy is just like people missing on Kiwi ....no one called that ...so dumb to use as an example. Booker is also horrid on defense but since he is a better shooter i agree that may have been a mistake but i dont think Russ and Randle are bad picks for sure yet... but we shall see. And as you said to early to tell on Ingram.

Magic is not the GM Pelinka is ..
Magic is in the Bird role ...

hey hey, slow down... everyone called dbust and randle to be awful picks, and you guys passed on bigs because of the belief that one high level would be signed in free agency and wanted to bet on randle (for some lol reason). And yes many were extremely high on porzingis and laughed their ass off.

[Killakobe81]

hey hey, slow down... everyone called dbust and randle to be awful picks, and you guys passed on bigs because of the belief that one high level would be signed in free agency and wanted to bet on randle (for some lol reason). And yes many were extremely high on porzingis and laughed their ass off.

Shut your pie hole Oakafor lover your choice was hardly any better.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Shut your pie hole Oakafor lover your choice was hardly any better.

Okafor's market is quite low. They can't even move him for pair of used underwear, tbh

[Raven]

Shut your pie hole Oakafor lover your choice was hardly any better.

how so? plus i traded up massively in all fantasy leagues to pick porzy so yeah, i'm still laughing about that

[Killakobe81]

how so? plus i traded up massively in all fantasy leagues to pick porzy so yeah, i'm still laughing about that

Fantasy league talk?
No one cares that is not in that league with you ...

[Raven]

Fantasy league talk?
No one cares that is not in that league with you ...

sure, i'm just saying the porzingis hype was real and warranted by his absurd measurables. you guys just didn't want to listen because you believed dbust could be the next steph curry and could sign a top big in free agency..

[Killakobe81]

sure, i'm just saying the porzingis hype was real and warranted by his absurd measurables. you guys just didn't want to listen because you believed dbust could be the next steph curry and could sign a top big in free agency..

Yep it waa so real philly chose another center instead

[ambchang]

Oakafor is one of the worst defenders in the league ...Russ was rated by most just a few spots,below so dont see how that is bad drafting. They chose the third rated player over tge 2nd who is being shopped with no takers. You are wrong about marc but i dont recall pat beverly draft if that was predetermined. Lakers missing on porzy is just like people missing on Kiwi ....no one called that ...so dumb to use as an example. Booker is also horrid on defense but since he is a better shooter i agree that may have been a mistake but i dont think Russ and Randle are bad picks for sure yet... but we shall see. And as you said to early to tell on Ingram.

Magic is not the GM Pelinka is ..
Magic is in the Bird role ...

You are making it sound like dbust is a decent defender or something like that. Dbust suck.

Oak isn't taken mostly because of his at ude but dsnitch is worse in that department.

Porzingis clearly had skills, the only concern was whether he could handle the bright lights of a city like New York or la and that he's likely a few years away from contributing. He handled both questions with a great first couple of years.

I find it at least amusing that you are pointing out the few flaws of the other players and say it as if those are incorrectable cardinal sins, where was those two horrible rookies on the lakers are a wait and see.

Ingram, the only reason he's not solidly on the bust list is because it's only feb. really, I can't recall any impact players in the history of the league having a worse rookie year than Ingram.

Magic getting a Kobe related person is a bad bad sign.

[whitemamba]

Ingram for Cousins or Ingram for George is a no brainer. Those two, from a game impact perspective, is pretty much the ceiling of what most #2 picks will be, and you got a ready made product right now.

Not sure if Ingram will ever turn out into a Durant or Curry type impact player, or even a Lebron type, but it's not really likely going to happen. But even if Ingram does have the potential, the Lakers have shown time and time again that they do not have the talent development necessary to push the young players into superstars. When's the last time that the Lakers developed a homegrown superstar? It was Kobe in the early 00s, and most of the people in that regime is gone.

Besides, I can't recall any player who sucked royal as a rookie and developed into a superstar (at least George or Cousins level) since Gary Payton. George and Kawhi has always had potential, same with Jermaine O'Neal. They never really sucked per se. Ingram just sucked so far.

I would of traded him for either no doubt, but at the same time I wouldn't mind seeing him develop a bit. I would be surprised if he was near any of the players you mentioned, but you never know. He has some solid basic skill set , I just wish he tried harder , I went to a game recently and the dude looks like he doesn't give a on the court.Kobe is the only player , and he developed himself really.

[Killakobe81]

You are making it sound like dbust is a decent defender or something like that. Dbust suck.

Oak isn't taken mostly because of his at ude but dsnitch is worse in that department.

Porzingis clearly had skills, the only concern was whether he could handle the bright lights of a city like New York or la and that he's likely a few years away from contributing. He handled both questions with a great first couple of years.

I find it at least amusing that you are pointing out the few flaws of the other players and say it as if those are incorrectable cardinal sins, where was those two horrible rookies on the lakers are a wait and see.

Ingram, the only reason he's not solidly on the bust list is because it's only feb. really, I can't recall any impact players in the history of the league having a worse rookie year than Ingram.

Magic getting a Kobe related person is a bad bad sign.

Amb when you post stuff like dbust suck ...its beneath you and makes it hard ro take the rest of your post seriously. How is that any better than Kool calling Duncan Tammy s? You claim to disdain Kool yet instead of staying on message you resort to name calling. Just say he sucks and be done . Then you are overly fixated on Pelinkas relationship to Kobe. Oh and my wife was looking over my shoulder and asked ne how old you were

I wont respond to the rest until you start conversating like an adult ...but Pelinka somehow helped a black man accused of raping a white woman ...marketable again ...to white people.
If that doesnt show you how smart and capable Rob is, not sure what else to tell you.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lakers be stupid to trade their trash for pure

if pg was that good, ppl would be coming to play with him, but no...

him and snitch will be a good tandem

[spursistan]

This is as good as gone....I can't believe Bird is in this much denial..

[lefty]

poor baby
today's NBA is so cruel

[LittleCriminal]

PG is so fukkin stupid.
PG is frustrated about Indy not competing for a le but then,
PG wants to sign with the Lakers who are not competing for a le.. Lol
PG is an Idiot who Makes no sense.

[ambchang]

I would of traded him for either no doubt, but at the same time I wouldn't mind seeing him develop a bit. I would be surprised if he was near any of the players you mentioned, but you never know. He has some solid basic skill set , I just wish he tried harder , I went to a game recently and the dude looks like he doesn't give a on the court.Kobe is the only player , and he developed himself really.

One thing that I will always give Kobe credit is his almost maniacal drive to be the best that he can be. I have my take that he did it for his own devices and not for the benefit of the team, but that isn't really a point that matters any anyone.

If Ingram doesn't care, then he's pretty much done. The NBA is a dog eat dog world, if you are not driving yourself to improve every day, you will be eaten alive.

[HarlemHeat37]

PG is so fukkin stupid.
PG is frustrated about Indy not competing for a le but then,
PG wants to sign with the Lakers who are not competing for a le.. Lol
PG is an Idiot who Makes no sense.

If you were young and rich, you would rather play in Indiana?

[ambchang]

Amb when you post stuff like dbust suck ...its beneath you and makes it hard ro take the rest of your post seriously. How is that any better than Kool calling Duncan Tammy s? You claim to disdain Kool yet instead of staying on message you resort to name calling. Just say he sucks and be done . Then you are overly fixated on Pelinkas relationship to Kobe. Oh and my wife was looking over my shoulder and asked ne how old you were

I wont respond to the rest until you start conversating like an adult ...but Pelinka somehow helped a black man accused of raping a white woman ...marketable again ...to white people.
If that doesnt show you how smart and capable Rob is, not sure what else to tell you.

I am not quite following you there. Calling a bust a bust is all of a sudden juvenile? He does suck, and you are getting all sensitive now?

Call Joe Barry Carroll, the kandi man, Stromile Swift, or Greg Oden busts isn't juvenile, it's a widely accepted view. It is about basketball in a basketball forum, and has absolutely nothing to do with name calling like Tammy s.

D'bust is tied with #8 in VORP, #18 in BPM, #36 in WS/48, and #29 in WS in the 2015 draft class as a number two pick, despite ranking #4 in minutes. He is performing way below is draft position in every major advanced statistic, and by quite a margin, if that is not bust I am not sure what is.

Calling him d'snitch is accurate because that is what he was, he snitched. He caused the breakup of a teammate with his girlfriend because of his snitching, leading to a poisonous locker room environment that hung around for months.

How is that not conversating (and I think you meant by conversing) like an adult? Since when did you get that sensitive?

And tell your wife to back off from looking at your stuff, I thought a person as sensitive as you would take offense to somebody looking over your shoulder. Best for you to get a locked diary for your daily journals.

[LittleCriminal]

If you were young and rich, you would rather play in Indiana?

Im simply stating the hypocrisy in PG comments..
As for ur question, its about whoever pays me the most.
I am not fascinated with LA LA Land.

[whitemamba]

One thing that I will always give Kobe credit is his almost maniacal drive to be the best that he can be. I have my take that he did it for his own devices and not for the benefit of the team, but that isn't really a point that matters any anyone.

If Ingram doesn't care, then he's pretty much done. The NBA is a dog eat dog world, if you are not driving yourself to improve every day, you will be eaten alive.

It may have hurt the team sometimes, which is fine but long term it worked out imo. And Ingram , dude just looks straight baked. Like he's lost trying to find the nearest jack in the box.

[StrengthAndHonor]

lakers be stupid to trade their trash for pure

if pg was that good, ppl would be coming to play with him, but no...

him and snitch will be a good tandem

He's not pure man.