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    The First Amendment is not absolute. Government can make reasonable stipulations about the time, place and manner a peaceable protest can take place, as long as those restrictions are applied in a content-neutral way.
    This statute doesn't do that. It holds organizers responsible for violence that may be exogenous.

    It even goes further. It reserves the right to preempt based on the mere su ion that violence may occur.

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    Sure they can. What are you going to do about it, riot?
    Nope, but I will complain.

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    So it should be ok for masked assholes to destroy property and beat people down? Oh no, we cannot riot! Tyranny!
    Nope.

    I'm not advocating for the right to riot. If you think so you're being obtuse.

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    Such a waste of time. There's no such thing as thought crimes. It's fundamentally uncons utional.

    If they're worried about alleged 'professional protesters', they could just as easily spent their time passing a law creating a specialized LE division to investigate such groups/allegations.

    But hey, that would actually be addressing the actual concern.

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    beg pardon, but there's nothing wrong with political organizing per se. it's called civil society and free association.

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    god forbid we should be anything but docile consumers and rest content with the crumbs that fall off the table

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    beg pardon, but there's nothing wrong with political organizing per se. it's called civil society and free association.
    I'm just saying, if they feel there's a criminal organization plotting violent crimes, LE is certainly en led to investigate. If they feel LE doesn't have enough tools to do that, they can certainly pass laws to aid in that.

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    I'm just saying, if they feel there's a criminal organization plotting violent crimes, LE is certainly en led to investigate. If they feel LE doesn't have enough tools to do that, they can certainly pass laws to aid in that.
    perhaps so. does that seem the purpose of the Arizona statute to you?

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    and granted that it is, what evidence do you see that public manifestations in AZ are a public danger warranting preemptive LE scrutiny?

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    imaginary dangers are omnipresent. the actual danger presented by political marches in the USA seems to me vastly overblown.

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    perhaps so. does that seem the purpose of the Arizona statute to you?
    No, that's why I said it was a waste of time, and IMO, will sooner or later be found uncons utional.

    I was actually agreeing...

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    I hope so. A lot of people seem to think order is more important than freedom.

    The turn toward authoritarianism is real and the current powers that be -- on this board and in the White House -- are encouraging it strongly.

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    I hope so. A lot of people seem to think order is more important than freedom.

    The turn toward authoritarianism is real and the current powers that be -- on this board and in the White House -- are encouraging it strongly.
    You mean that dog that keeps deleting [Trump president. Not Clinton] every single time I lodge it?

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    Trump president, not Obama.

    Chop chop, to do!

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    pointing at HRC doesn't cut it anymore.

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    pointing at HRC doesn't cut it anymore.
    Please. You pointed at Bush for 8 years.

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    then I pointed at Obama for 8 years. I'll point at your asshole for however long he lasts.

    your point?

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    then I pointed at Obama for 8 years. I'll point at your asshole for however long he lasts.

    your point?
    You're never wrong. Ever.

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    I never said so, what's your point?

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    I'm a dangerous floater. I don't belong to a political tribe.

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    Police can't shut your down just because they're afraid something bad might happen.
    No one's upholding the right to burn down.

    The police can't shut you down just because they fear it "might" happen.
    Police can't proleptically preempt political expression just because they think something bad might happen.That's Soviet style .
    Argumentum ad nauseum

    If the police can't do it, what are you concerned about?

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    Nope.

    I'm not advocating for the right to riot. If you think so you're being obtuse.
    When an event becomes a riot, everyone there is guilty, and based on the pre-existing law even the organizers are guilty since they are part of the "two or more" clause.

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    they will, based on bull statutes. AZ isn't the only state trying to do this.

    LE will abuse freedom until the courts stop them. and you're standing up for it.

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    When an event becomes a riot, everyone there is guilty, and based on the pre-existing law even the organizers are guilty since they are part of the "two or more" clause.
    Legalism trumps freedom in your book. Nothing could be clearer.

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    Bow down to state power, serfs.

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