I actually don't think he is. Regardless, he makes more financial sense than Re , because even if they get paid the same, Mills will count less against the cap. Even if they don't do a lot with their space, little things like signing their first-rounders (with Milutinov coming over) or giving rookies three-year deals are much easier with tiny bits of space.
I hope Mills looks for and gets his big payday. He deserves to cash in on a great run, and chance to get life altering money for his family.
I think Spurs are moving on notwithstanding the fact they can sign him via bird right. Delladova is getting about 10m a year; gotta think Patty gets more.
I think this is in play. Kind of like when the Spurs refinanced "he who shall not be named." It also allows the Spurs to trade LMA next year and keep some veteran post production.
I don't see that. He already said that he is planning on opting in. Even if he does a $22 million over 2 year opt out and resign, it doesn't necessarily matter all that much
Spurs do have cap space;not a lot but some, sort of. Even when assuming that Mills cap hold jumps from $6.8 to 9.86 ( saw somewhere that cap holds may jump by as much as 45%) I don't see a way that the Spurs could retain Dedmon, Mills, and go after Hill unless they move Gasol.
If the Spurs choose to let Mills walk and go after Hill, then it pretty much means that they aren't going to be able to resign Dedmon, without trading Gasol.
Red last year is much better, but if you have watched the clippers this year he's shown signs of regression.
If the Spurs flame out in the 2nd round or even if they make the WCF and get smashd by GSW, I don't think it's crazy that they might move LMA.
PHX makes plenty of sense. They have enough cap space to absorb his contract with the spurs not having to take a player back (Brandon Knight). They have young talent but, more importantly, they have picks.
PHX Gets:
Aldridge
Spurs Gets:
2017 2nd round pick(projected to be the 32nd pick in this years draft)2018 1st round pick(lottery protected pick; LMA, Bledsoe, and Booker should be good enough to potentially make the playoffs next season)
Spurs get $21.45 million in additional cap space in the deal; which should allow them to resign Dedmon and Mills, and/or go after Hill.
Spurs would take a step back in the short term but may be able construct a team that better fits around Kawhi's strengths (like Houston). Adding a early 2nd rounder to this years 29th pick, and potentially another 1st rounder to our own 2018 1st round pick give the Spurs four chances at finding future rotation players in the draft in this and next years draft.
Last edited by cd021; 02-25-2017 at 10:56 PM.
No offense, but that trade. You move a pick to get rid of Pau (or stretch him) before you take a sandwich like that. And if you go after Hill, you've GOT to trade Parker. You can't tie up like $40 Million into PGs.
I'd rather they throw the money at a manu replacement, like Tyrke Evans. Dude will be looking to rehab his value, so maybe a make good 1-1 might help him, and line up with Spurs 2018 time Horizon.
Summer 2017:
- Manu retires
- Patty gets offer too rich and leaves
- refinance Pau
- use difference on Dedmon
- get Evans
- resign Lee
- redshirt Mulitinov in Austin
if we flop in the playoffs, explore trading LMA in fall of 2017. Unless they want to pay him, I'd start thinking about flipping Anderson for a pick of some kind.
Phoenix is a good trade partner, but that specific package is underwhelming. I'd want one of their young bigs in addition to picks.
Yep..you have to get bender or chriss if you move lma plus a pick or two.
Tony as our starting PG yet another year is just about the most depressing thought... I do not believe the Spurs can win a championship with Tony as the starting PG. In my mind you are suggesting that PATFO are willing to sacrifice two seasons of Kawhi's prime with no chance to win the LOB.
Unless Murray becomes like five times the player he currently is, the Spurs sure as aren't going to win with him starting. And yes, the Spurs are probably willing to "sacrifice Kawhi's prime" because they really don't have another choice. They shouldn't start Murray (barring something crazy happening with his development), and they can't afford to upgrade without gutting a chunk of their roster.Tony as our starting PG yet another year is just about the most depressing thought... I do not believe the Spurs can win a championship with Tony as the starting PG. In my mind you are suggesting that PATFO are willing to sacrifice two seasons of Kawhi's prime with no chance to win the LOB.
Missed the joke...
But made a quick recovery.
Not making fun of you. It was just funny when I read that first post and thought how you'd totally missed what Bill was getting at, and then you snapped to it on your own. Bringing Lorbek in for a cameo appearance was just genius.
I'm sort of puzzled how the Spurs are going to "target" Hill, since the deadline is past. Are they supposed to be targeting him for next year? I don't give a rats ass about speculation about next year's roster moves. Way too far off for that kind of talk.
I think if the Spurs are smart ...they have to move Parker next year. Its like the Bowen trade. As much as Parker has been foundational to Spurs success all these years..they need to reward Mills who addresses a need ..some teams which will take a flyer on TP - Bulls, Knicks etc.
After resigning Mills, Simmons and Dedmon...the priority would be to get a Manu replacement with whatever cap space.
The move would be to clear out cap space if they decide that LMA isn't working out. Unless they can swap him for rotation players fit needs and aren't overpaid, I view this is the next best option. Spurs likely aren't getting a lottery pick for him, nor are they getting an upgrade, they probably won't even get equal value in comparison to LMA at his best. Admittedly, the trade is underwhelming from a return standpoint; cap space, a 32nd pick and another pick, that would probably be in the late teens is a low return for the second best player on a team that may make the WCF and win 63 games. I don't think it's terrible, however, for a former all star player that is entering the final year of his deal and will be 32 and coming off a season where he is averaging only 17.5 ppg. If the Spurs wanted to try for Bender or Chriss; I don't know if it would be a deal breaker for Phoenix, they haven't made the playoffs in 8 years and I would assume that they're desperate to try and get back.
I've already been down the "Spurs requiring Hill" road with TD21. I came down on the side that the Spurs would try and dump Gasol not LMA, resign Mills, add Hill, and resign Dedmon to be the starting C (Mills, Hill, Anderson, Bertans, Lee as the bench) before being convinced that while it's possible, it would effectively keep Murray from getting consistent minutes to develop.
I don't believe that playing $40 million to Parker, Mills, Murray, and Hill for one season is all that big of an issue, so long as the team doesn't go in to the luxury tax to field an imbalanced roster. I don't believe that that would be an imbalanced roster. Parker is ,probably, going to make less than $10 million after next season, and that $40 million dollar figure would drop to around $35 million for 3 rotation players and a prospect for the next two or three years.
My LMA trade was more specially in response to CDG, who mentioned restructuring Gasol and moving LMA. I don't think both would happen; and I don't know how much a Gasol restructuring would help, I can't find a scenario where the Spurs could fit both Mills and Dedmon under the cap without trading Gasol for cap space, let alone going after Hill. I'm fine with Aldridge; though he can be maddeningly inconsistent and ,to a lesser extent, Gasol, though, I'd prefer he stay coming off the bench. I would hope that the Spurs can keep Mills, Dedmon, and Lee (though I'm curious to see Bertans as a full time backup PF).
It's stupid to make significant changes for any team that's poised to win 50+ games.
Always been my philosophy. Even if the spurs are evem bigger underdogs next year, they can't take risk that can damage their team.
They should continue paying cheap the next couple of years winning 50+ games every year until they develop the youngesters and have enough cap space to go for top 30 caliber players.
That should always be the plan.
Which is why they won't go for Hill.
Where is brooklynfan to educate me on the Spurs being active looking at trades? (Sarcasm!)
A late first and a second round pick for Aldridge? That's terrible
The difference between Tony's starting and Dijon's starting is probably a playoff seed - for a team that won't compete for a LOB in either case. But at least Dijon gets a year of running the team under his belt. Basically, you think more of Tony and less of Dijon than I do. No problem. But I think Dijon is as good now as Tony was when Pop turned the keys over to him. That worked out pretty well.Tony as our starting PG yet another year is just about the most depressing thought... I do not believe the Spurs can win a championship with Tony as the starting PG. In my mind you are suggesting that PATFO are willing to sacrifice two seasons of Kawhi's prime with no chance to win the LOB.
If it doesn't involve LeBron's nutsack, i highly doubt Windhorst knows much about it.
I would not have expected that from you. Wasn't that Atlanta's philosophy?
Some people would rather have an identified player or players in a trade. Some would rather have the cap space to use on a specific free agent, which they regard as essentially a component of the trade. I see where you are coming from, but what FA(s) do you want to use the cap space on?
What is more surprising to me is the idea that you envision Tony's being on the team beyond 2017-18.
neither one of them can play defense worth
If they are willing to sacrifice his prime then they should trade him to Boston for a huge package of picks and young talent. I disagree with you that they will sacrifice his prime but, if you're right it would benefit the franchise to trade him.
My concern is that if the Spurs do not exert their best efforts to improve, then Kawhi will bolt to LA when his current contract ends.
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