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You think? A year too late perhaps. Tony struggles to get by most defenders nowadays. He needs a replacement, not a "co-starter" -> whatever that means.
The Spurs will never go "all-in" to keep or influence a player. They didn't for Duncan. They won't for Kawhi. The Spurs sell 50 win seasons and a guaranteed post season, and a winning culture/mystique that quite frankly has taken on a life of it's own. If the chips fall right for a season, they hopefully pick up a championship along the way. It's one of the reasons, the Spurs have never won back-to-back les.
You think? A year too late perhaps. Tony struggles to get by most defenders nowadays. He needs a replacement, not a "co-starter" -> whatever that means.
OMFG. First, Kawhi's already won a le with the Spurs. I doubt he gives up tens of million of bucks to go to LA for no reason. That's especially true after he said that he didn't want the team to make any moves.
Second, the Spurs are the second-best team in the league. Do you think Kawhi would rather be on a middle-seed playoff team just because it's in LA? Unless Pop becomes an idiot like Bird has been, you're not going to see him pull a George. He's already seen how the Spurs do things, and he knows that it has allowed the team to have a two-decade long period of contention. No one has a better grasp on how to be compe ive than they do.
Third, like trading LMA for late picks and starting Murray over Parker are the farthest thing from "exerting their best efforts to improve". It's just fan service for Spurs fans that spend way too much time listening to the spew of bull on here about how awful the team is. You put Butler and George on the team, and they're happy as clams. This would be the best supporting cast they've ever had and likely the best performance. But once you start downgrading to Murray and whoever the is supposed to start at PF after trading LMA, then you'd see them complaining.
Fourth, Kawhi ain't even in his prime yet. He still has another year or two to go, as amazing as that is. Neither of these proposed moves involves them attaining anything they don't already have, so there's simply no reason to get rid of a core that is capable of winning a le for detritus. There just isn't a good enough argument that Murray will be better than Parker any time soon. He has to show a stable state a lot closer to Tony to even consider that. Right now, he can't even stay in the game during garbage time.
I agree with that. I don't think going all in for the spurs is the same as it would be defined for the cavs or warriors though. We won't go into cap and give up all of our future assets for a rental or anything like that. I think we'll look at several different options in the offseason depending on how far we go in the post season. Assuming that we don't make the finals I think Patty is gone and I think gasoline will opt out and resign to a number that gives us flexibility. I also think they'll explore lma's market value as well. Lastly, I think they are pretty high on Murray's future and I expect him to get significant minutes next year much like Parker got when he 1st arrived. I also expect him to be ready to make a significant impact in spurts in the playoffs next season because of the time he will get in the regular season.
No one is getting rid of Pau Gasol. That's ridiculous. He'll be here next year. Manu will be gone and Patty might be too. Patty is not a PG, he is a small SG and needs to have the freedom to shoot. If given the chance, he could be a 20+ ppg scorer somewhere else.
You're the one that said pop was willing to sacrifice Kawhi's prime...not me... I disagree with your premise. So my saying they should trade him isn't what I think should happen it was simply the logical response to 'your' suggestion of 'sacrifice '.... and for the record..I don't think you believe pop is willing to sacrifice his prime... I think you were flippant in your response and threw out a hypothetical which I responded to.
I quoted "sacrifice Kawhi's prime" because that was what sasaint was trying to argue. He considered starting Parker to be essentially giving up a season. In that case, yes, Pop will totally do that.
And no, the logical response is never going to be to trade Kawhi to Boston.
I didn't throw out a hypothetical. You replied to a post without caring about its context. Unless of course you understood what I meant and truly do believe in your heart of hearts that the Spurs will not start Parker next year. If that's the case, quit with the broad interpretation of the quote.
If Murray is going to be the backup PG next year, it's important to have shooters around him. Red would be a great pickup.
TP is not going to be traded IMO. At best Spurs use what money they have next year to find a better starting PG and TP moves to the bench. Then Murray is splitting time as the 3rd PG and backup SG.
Chinook, can't the spurs stretch Parker and offer him a new contract?
If he wants to play till he's 40...Why not stretch him since hes never going to get traded anyway.
Ha... Like I said, the Spurs could've been active, but they aren't moving TP. He isn't the only guy they can trade, and trading him doesn't upgrade our backcourt. That's just silly talk.
I just never got why ppl think cause they hear no Spurs rumbling that it means they aren't actively looking to improve
Yup. This is the most realistic scenario , unless TP asks to be moved.
Stretch him for 4 years next year and then sign him for a smaller amount. 4 year stretch means only 4 million on the cap. Sign him for 3 million or something...
Or is that not allowed. He makes lots of money that way.
Your quote "And yes, the Spurs are probably willing to "sacrrifice Kawhi's prime" because they really don't have another choice"
You provided the context quite plainly... I responded by saying I disagree with your view about what they will do and also gave an opinion about what the best course of action would be if your view is correct. The rest of what's you wrote is a simple deflection from your plain and simple statement.
I also recognized the quotes around "sacrifice " in your subsequent post by saying I didn't think.you believed it test way. The point is..I'm not saying we shouldn't trade him..I'm saying we should if one really believe we are going to sacrifice his prime.
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The Spurs can stretch Parker (even though they really shouldn't stretch anyone else at this point). But it's really ambiguous as to whether they could offer him a new deal. There isn't an explicit rule against it in the old CBA, but many people think it would be disallowed by the league anyway.
You don't get the context if you don't understand why "sacrifice Kawhi's prime" was in quotes. You even re-quoted it with the quotes in place. I said that because that's what the previous post said. You need to learn to ing read before acting haughty. There's no deflection here. I always meant it as a reply to a different poster using their own words against them. That you didn't understand that is no one else's fault but yours.
I agree with you.
I can't have an opinion on Tony vs Dijon when they were both 20 but Tony didn't have a HoF PG at his position when he joined and Pop has said as much.
I also get the impression Chinook doesn't like Dijon that much so his opinion is going to be colored by that dislike.
I think this is a very reasonable projection. Without seeing performance in the offseason it's tough to make a call about some spots or some guys, but I do expect Murray to be playing next season and get Pops real coaching. This time last year Simmons was getting benched too, and sent back down to the dleague. It's how Pop is with rookies etc. and he needed it. He has gotten better. Why will Murray not be the same or better considering how young he is and his work ethic. I expect Murray to start getter by rotation minutes next season.
If if he doesn't clean up his act next season that's one thing but he's very young and I do expect him to be better. Pop has expressed they are high on him and he works hard. I expect him to make progress with more experience and practice.
Spurs should not be adding any dead money. Even though SA won't have a lot of cap space next year after that they are in incredible shape with having Kawhi, LMA & Danny locked up.
Gasol is 99% opting in.
The SAG?
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Is she implying you are biased?
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