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Porker is old and obese.
What really sucks is that the guy who is playing for his biggest contract is getting every opportunity to prove he's a starting PG on a playoff team and that he deserves money and he's worse than TP.
Mills is not a pG and it sucks that as bad as TP is he's still better as a starting PG than Mills. Mills can truly barely dribble for a PG at an NBA level, has no vision and cannot effectively get the team into fluid sets and he cannot setup the stars like LMA consistently either.
Mills cannot get into the paint and collapse a defense, cannot finish at the rim (especially in traffic) and struggles to get his own shot (needs to be assisted at a really high level) especially against starters. He competes his butt off and is a great teammate, but SA needed him to step up an replace TP and he cannot do it.
Porker is old and obese.
Spurs really needed to be able to rely less on Manu/TP and no one that had a chance has remotely stepped up enough to have them play a lesser role.
It was a gamble by the FO (also a part of players aging when they get bigger deals) but so far it's turned out as bad as possible (meaning TP/Manu aren't playing well and no one has stepped up - spurs were hoping either TP/Manu could play at a high enough level still and/or Simmons/Mills/Kyle/etc.. could truly take the next step and neither happened).
TBH I was wondering this the last couple of games. I remember a time when no matter how good Mills was playing, Pop snatched him in favor of Parker. Now in the last gms or so, Parker rarely sees the floor in the 4th, an nun in overtime!!! I was like wooooow, how times have changed. No way the Spurs don't pay Mills next yr. I mean unless they plan to let Murray start an Parker comes off the bench an they sign a bet early in the off-season.
I agree - Pop is giving the others (mainly Mills) the chance to step up and he's failing (predictable however). He's not a starting PG. I don't think they can pay Mills if he has proven he can't be a good starter (he can't). They may be forced into it with Manu maybe being gone and Simmons too and not much wiggle room to replace them, but I think this is part of the audition (playing him over TP in the 4th) and everyone is seeing the results.
I wouldn't say he's failing... I just think he's struggles are him trying to be a true PG. It's not who he is. An basically Kawhi will be handling the ball anyways. But Mills stepped up an hit big shots, which is all he needs to do!
Mills has not been hitting big shots, has not been playing smart basketball and has not had the offense moving properly. He is failing at the role he himself said he wants: Starting NBA PG.
Agreed.
The Spurs can move on from Mills this offseason and look somewhere else, tbh. If they feel Murray is not ready, maybe they scavenge the league for a better suited PG.
Tony isn't going anywhere though (IMO)... we'll see what his role looks like going forward.
Ya TP is under contract so it is what it is - but I'm sure they were hoping Mills could step up and take that starting role.
I think SA keeps Mills bc there really isn't money to lose him and replace him, Manu and/or Simmmons too.
The post season will be telling for Patty. And the rest of this season tbh. He could get crazy hot to finish the season, which would of course be beneficial for him
It is a pity, but this is absolutely true. But his failure may mean that he isn't pricing himself out of the Spurs' reach at all...
Yep, that is the unfortunate Spurs team I have been watching.
Good discussion in this thread.
If Tony had made the shots Patty made in OT the other day you would be all over his junk.
I agree though, Mills isn't the answer going forward. At least not for the money he is going to demand. I actually like him at his current price coming off the bench (unlike Parker who provides one of the worst productions in the entire league considering the role he is asked to do and the contract he has. Backup Patty >> starting PG Tony, tbh), but it would make no sense to resign Mills for the money he is probably going to get just to have him as an expensive backup.
Then we have the Parker situation, which is pretty clearly the biggest handicap of this team. The day the Spurs get a starting caliber PG, that's the day they will probably be able to challenge the Warriors for real. And sadly, there isn't seem to be a quick fix for this. He still has one more year on that awful, awful contract he signed some years ago, the Spurs have no cap space, and there's no way Parker gets traded (rightfully so). I think that's why so many folks here are putting their hopes on Murray, he would be the easiest, quickest way of stop wasting Kawhi's prime years.
^ this is chock full of propaganda like "wasting Kawhi's prime".
What propaganda? I'm very straight forward regarding the fact that Tony is done and has been done for a while, tbh.
It's pointless to argue most what you said when at the end of the day everyone realizes TP is the best PG on this team still and that is a bad thing.
201 Jonas Valanciunas, C TOR 61 26.1 -1.20 0.31 -0.89 2.16 202 Darren Collison, PG SAC 53 30.9 0.76 -1.66 -0.90 2.20 203 Jeremy Lin, PG BKN 17 22.8 -0.86 -0.07 -0.93 0.51 204 Corey Brewer, SF HOU/LAL 62 15.5 -1.64 0.70 -0.94 1.34 205 Mike Tobey, C CHA 2 12.5 -1.90 0.96 -0.94 0.03 206 Chinanu Onuaku, PF HOU 2 5.0 -1.63 0.65 -0.98 0.02 207 Tony Parker, PG SA 47 25.8 -0.46 -0.53 -0.99 1.55 208 Anthony Tolliver, PF SAC 49 23.3 -0.04 -0.96 -1.00 1.49 209 Damian Jones, C GS 8 5.6 -1.78 0.76 -1.02 0.06 210 Jordan Hill, PF MIN 5 8.0 -1.90 0.86 -1.04 0.05 211 Josh Huestis, SF OKC 1 7.0 -1.68 0.63 -1.05 0.01 212 Devin Booker, SG PHX 61 34.5 1.08 -2.13 -1.05 2.70 213 Mirza Teletovic, PF MIL 51 15.6 -1.17 0.09 -1.08 1.00 214 Brice Johnson, F LAC 1 3.0 -1.92 0.84 -1.08 0.00 215 Skal Labissiere, PF SAC 12 9.8 -1.60 0.52 -1.08 0.13 216 Luis Scola, PF BKN 36 12.8 -0.80 -0.29 -1.09 0.62 217 Anderson Varejao, C GS 14 6.6 -1.74 0.65 -1.09 0.10 218 J.R. Smith, SG CLE 21 28.9 -1.15 0.03 -1.12 0.79 219 Al Jefferson, C IND 57 14.6 -0.57 -0.57 -1.14 1.04 220 Langston Galloway, SG NO/SAC 57 19.9 0.63 -1.77 -1.14 1.41
52 Pau Gasol, C SA 44 26.4 -0.06 1.96 1.90 3.39 53 Al Horford, C BOS 50 32.8 1.09 0.79 1.88 5.00 54 Dwight Howard, C ATL 56 29.3 -0.60 2.46 1.86 4.99 55 Jrue Holiday, PG NO 47 32.8 1.12 0.74 1.86 4.74 56 Damian Lillard, PG POR 56 36.0 3.85 -2.03 1.82 6.05 57 Rudy Gay, SF SAC 30 33.8 -0.04 1.83 1.79 3.12 58 Malcolm Brogdon, SG MIL 61 25.9 2.03 -0.27 1.76 4.57 59 Mason Plumlee, C DEN/POR 61 27.3 1.11 0.64 1.75 5.03 60 Patty Mills, PG SA 60 21.6 2.82 -1.09 1.73 3.78
Where the does porker get this benefit that he is the best PG on the team. Patty Mills is way better than Porker right now.
The guy is getting paid 17 mil to be a ing injury prone cancer.
If Tony had made the shots Patty made in OT the other day you would be all over his junk.
I'm not concerned with Parker saying he wants to play until he's 38. That's his ideal scenario, but athletes rarely get to decide when they retire. Even the rare ones who, if they want, can keep squeezing out deals out of an indebted organization get to the point where they know it's time.
He can't stay healthy for extended stretches and every minor ailment renders him unplayable. At some point, he'll probably get sick of that, the constant rehab/maintenance that comes with being an aging player and further decline in his skills/role and realize it's time.
They were never "hoping Mills could step up and take that starting role". Mills is what he is and pairing him with Green and Parker with Ginobili, would have been a recipe for disaster. The current guard rotation is the best internal one possible for the time being; it's just not good enough to win a championship.
If Mills is re-signed, then it's a sign that Parker is going to remain the starter beyond the duration of his contract because they won't pair him with Mills off the bench. That doesn't mean his minutes and his closing of close games won't continue to decrease though.
TP might be the best PG on the team (pretty debatable, tbh) but Patty is way more effective on his role, than Tony is in his. Patty's production, for the money he's making and the role he has, is more than acceptable. Tony's production, for his contract and role, is team hindering, tbh.
Yeah, its such a shame that a guy making 1/5th of what Enrique makes can't consistently bail him out. Let's put that guy down instead of focusing on how worthless and overpaid the starting PG is.
The deflection is unreal.
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