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    Just read the thread for the answers ^

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    I think everybody wants TP healthy and springy for a playoff run, tbh, but how realistic is that?

    And why should Paddy bear the burden of the blame if Tony is gassed out/hurt again?

    When Manu has no legs in the playoffs, people don't about Simmons or even Danny...

    And if you agree that's not realistic to have a close to 100% TP when the big dance starts, why aren't we trying something else right now, tbh?
    This is actually true. No one es or deflects as much as the porker stans.

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    You're ok with me Dabom
    I have no problem with you either.

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    doesn't know what "off the dribble" means and wants to evaluate point guards
    Dude, don't pull mavkrew or djohn2oo8's patented move of dishonestly changing someone's quotes or, in this case, of taking dabom's comment literally when everybody knows he wasn't being literal. It's lame and makes you look bad. Even DMC's goalposts moving is better, tbh.

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    oh i'm sorry, if i called parker fat and jerked off manu, would you forgive me

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    oh i'm sorry, if i called parker fat and jerked off patty, would you forgive me
    That's pretty imaginative, got.

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    ElGOAT Thread accomplishes goal

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    There's still a chance we go into next season with him as a starter. I think if Ginobili stays Parker definitely starts. If Ginobili retires I could see us bringing Parker off the bench and him actually being somewhat effective. I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion, but if Ginobili retires I'd actually consider resigning Patty and starting him until Murray is ready which I doubt he will be to start the season next year.. I'm expecting Kawhi to continue to progress into his supers om and get better at having the ball in his hands as the main ball handler. I'd like to see advanced metrics of how the Spurs fair with Patty in Parker's role in the normal starting lineups and vice versa with the bench. I think Parker would be more effective as a backup PG main bench scorer similar to Manu. The starting lineup doesn't really need a main ball handler in Parker if Kawhi can do it and Patty would be an extra shooter. Idk if Parker/Simmons/Kyle/Lee/Gasol is gonna cut it bc of lack of shooting but if Bertans develops and we don't resign Kyle or Lee and we had another shooter/scorer (ehh idk if Hanga is the answer here btw, probably not) and bring that one European big we drafted recently for spot minutes, we might can make it work.

    We'll also have another late first round pick. But usually these guys aren't ready if they ever amount to anything.

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    ElGOAT Thread accomplishes goal
    tbh, this thread shoulda been over 4-5 posts into it when the comment about Pop came around... they just devolve into these fanboys threads for some reason....

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    Best quote of this thread by FkLA tbh "I'm not an idiot"


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    OP with the goods, tbh...porker stans are so ing sensitive

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    I think everybody wants TP healthy and springy for a playoff run, tbh, but how realistic is that?

    And why should Paddy bear the burden of the blame if Tony is gassed out/hurt again?

    When Manu has no legs in the playoffs, people don't about Simmons or even Danny...

    And if you agree that's not realistic to have a close to 100% TP when the big dance starts, why aren't we trying something else right now, tbh?
    Exactly. Tony and Manu being old is not a sin. It happens. But still relying on those guys to carry heavy loads in the playoffs is just asking for trouble, and more unfair than fair to those guys.

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    The Spurs can move on from Mills this offseason and look somewhere else, tbh. If they feel Murray is not ready, maybe they scavenge the league for a better suited PG.

    Tony isn't going anywhere though (IMO)... we'll see what his role looks like going forward.
    exactly this. Mills will be too costly and just not worth it. Spurs can surely find a seasoned PG because giving Murray the keys is premature.

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    hopefully he shows up in the playoffs
    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 he hasn't even shown up in the playoffs when he was good

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    Tony has been in a long, steady decline since 2012. Same story even if you look at his Per-36 numbers, so it isn't just that his minutes have decreased. His numbers now are just barely better than his rookie season. That's something that can't be ignored.

    Possibly the most telling thing of all is that his FTA/Game and /36 are by far the worst of his career. In his better years, Parker averaged around 5 FTA per game. For his career, he's averaged 3.8. This season, he's averaging 1.8. When a guy like Parker can't get some bonus trips to the FT line, it's a sure sign that defenders can contain him without having to foul him. What I see is that this year he isn't even challenging enough to get many trips to the line.

    Even if Parker is injured, it's beside the point. A long steady decline like he's been on, down to basically his rookie output levels? There's no way around that. If Patty had stepped up like was hoped, he'd be starting. Parker started as a rookie because the team didn't have anyone better. That's the same reason he's starting now.

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     he hasn't even shown up in the playoffs when he was good
    07, 14

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    Tony has been in a long, steady decline since 2012. Same story even if you look at his Per-36 numbers, so it isn't just that his minutes have decreased. His numbers now are just barely better than his rookie season. That's something that can't be ignored.

    Possibly the most telling thing of all is that his FTA/Game and /36 are by far the worst of his career. In his better years, Parker averaged around 5 FTA per game. For his career, he's averaged 3.8. This season, he's averaging 1.8. When a guy like Parker can't get some bonus trips to the FT line, it's a sure sign that defenders can contain him without having to foul him. What I see is that this year he isn't even challenging enough to get many trips to the line.

    Even if Parker is injured, it's beside the point. A long steady decline like he's been on, down to basically his rookie output levels? There's no way around that. If Patty had stepped up like was hoped, he'd be starting. Parker started as a rookie because the team didn't have anyone better. That's the same reason he's starting now.
    true, we had just finally let AJ go, Steve Kerr was in Portland that year, Claxton was in Philly, and Antonio Daniels was a combo guard, not a PG.

    also, TP was always a mediocre at best free throw shooter

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    true, we had just finally let AJ go, Steve Kerr was in Portland that year, Claxton was in Philly, and Antonio Daniels was a combo guard, not a PG.

    also, TP was always a mediocre at best free throw shooter

    You're right. Parker was never a great FT shooter. But it's not just the points from the FT's that matter. The fact that defenders are forced to foul you is a damned good indicator of a top-tier offensive player (other than spot-up perimeter shooters). Tony is a scoring PG, who got a lot of his points driving the paint. So for him it's even more serious that he's no longer able to force defenders to foul him. Drive-and-kick players are just not very effective when defenders don't really have to respect the drive.

    If anyone needs an objective measure of just how far down the road he is, they don't have to look any further than the steady decline in that FTA number, and how painfully low it's become.

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    Tony Parker is so indefensible I sometimes wonder if some of the Stans are indeed parker logging in under different accounts

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    U do realize we have been to the playoffs every year of his career?

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    U do realize we have been to the playoffs every year of his career?

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    So nice you have to say it twice ^

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    Tony Parker is so indefensible I sometimes wonder if some of the Stans are indeed parker logging in under different accounts
    The guuds. .

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    There's still a chance we go into next season with him as a starter. I think if Ginobili stays Parker definitely starts. If Ginobili retires I could see us bringing Parker off the bench and him actually being somewhat effective. I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion, but if Ginobili retires I'd actually consider resigning Patty and starting him until Murray is ready which I doubt he will be to start the season next year.. I'm expecting Kawhi to continue to progress into his supers om and get better at having the ball in his hands as the main ball handler. I'd like to see advanced metrics of how the Spurs fair with Patty in Parker's role in the normal starting lineups and vice versa with the bench. I think Parker would be more effective as a backup PG main bench scorer similar to Manu. The starting lineup doesn't really need a main ball handler in Parker if Kawhi can do it and Patty would be an extra shooter. Idk if Parker/Simmons/Kyle/Lee/Gasol is gonna cut it bc of lack of shooting but if Bertans develops and we don't resign Kyle or Lee and we had another shooter/scorer (ehh idk if Hanga is the answer here btw, probably not) and bring that one European big we drafted recently for spot minutes, we might can make it work.

    We'll also have another late first round pick. But usually these guys aren't ready if they ever amount to anything.
    Sorry but if Manu retires you have to go for the best SG you can. And in order to do that you either resign patty on the cheap very early or renounce him.
    We have 93 millions committed as it is.

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    Tony Parker is so indefensible I sometimes wonder if some of the Stans are indeed parker logging in under different accounts

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