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    Hopefully this piece of bill will be their political suicide should they pass it.
    Not in deep red districts. The freedom caucus guys who are opposing this because they want a clean repeal and nothing else will have a choice in the end...vote to keep Obamacare or vote for whatever this "repeal" ends up being. They'll fall in line as you said or else they are going to have some serious primary challenges.

    '18 doesn't look favorable for Dems to take back Congress. We'll see but I think you're going to have to wait awhile for the Dems return to glory.

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    That Medicaid expansion rollback is political suicide for a bunch of governors though... I know where CC is coming from, the House and Senate hasn't seen face to face in a long while.
    Isn't the medicaid rollback kicked down the road in this bill?

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    Isn't the medicaid rollback kicked down the road in this bill?
    The sunset is Dec 31, 2019, IIRC. And after that, it's not just the expansion rolled back, but they move on a per-capita allocation. It's political suicide on poor states like Ohio or Pennsylvania. And I'm not criticizing just for the sake of it, it's a really dumb move considering those are the kinda states the GOP needs to remain in the WH...

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    Not in deep red districts. The freedom caucus guys who are opposing this because they want a clean repeal and nothing else will have a choice in the end...vote to keep Obamacare or vote for whatever this "repeal" ends up being. They'll fall in line as you said or else they are going to have some serious primary challenges.

    '18 doesn't look favorable for Dems to take back Congress. We'll see but I think you're going to have to wait awhile for the Dems return to glory.
    Deep red districts benefit from Obamacare too and it seems like many redstate voters elected Trump on the ridiculous idea he was going to make their coverage better and cheaper instead of pulling it out from under them. Once it's gone you could see people pretty pissed. I don't think you can just assume election results. Clinton was supposed to be president for the longest time and the GOP was supposed to be dead back in September. The American people can change whims pretty quickly. They voted overwhelmingly Democrat in 06 and 08 yet by 09 liberal Massachusetts elected a Republican to replace Ted Kennedy in the senate and force the house to pass the senate's ACA bill or pass nothing. Then the GOP demolished the 2010 midterms.

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    The sunset is Dec 31, 2019, IIRC. And after that, it's not just the expansion rolled back, but they move on a per-capita allocation. It's political suicide on poor states like Ohio or Pennsylvania. And I'm not criticizing just for the sake of it, it's a really dumb move considering those are the kinda states the GOP needs to remain in the WH...
    I thought I read it was 5 years. 2019 would be really dumb, if they are going to do this they need to do this like Obama delayed the more painful aspects of the ACA until after his re-election campaign .

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    Also, we go back to the penalties for a lapse in insurance, which puts another barrier into entering the market while it fills the insurance co pockets. Lose your job, can't afford insurance, it lapses. Now to get in again your premium is up to 130% more for a year.

    wtf? smh

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    det wall is going to cost a ing fortune, but it won't need healthcare though...
    heaven forbid they spend that wall money rebuilding water lines in cities.

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    I thought I read it was 5 years. 2019 would be really dumb, if they are going to do this they need to do this like Obama delayed the more painful aspects of the ACA until after his re-election campaign .
    https://thefederalist.com/2017/02/28...amacare-draft/

    With respect to the Medicaid match rate, the discussion draft reduces the enhanced federal match to states, effective December 31, 2019. The bill provides that states receiving the enhanced match for individuals enrolled by December 31, 2019 will continue to receive that enhanced federal match, provided they do not have a break in Medicaid coverage of longer than one month. (In the case of states that already expanded Medicaid to able-bodied adults prior to Obamacare’s enactment, the bill provides for an 80 percent federal match for 2017 and all subsequent years.)

    (Don't know anything about thefederalist.com, but I can attest I read the draft bill last night and it was there).

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    Also, Medicaid plans no longer have to cover the 'minimum coverage' imposed in ACA. That also sunsets in Dec 31, 2019.

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    I still say it won't make it out of the house. They would have to bust up the good ol boy "freedom caucus" and that's 40 votes. I don't see it happening.

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    Also, we go back to the penalties for a lapse in insurance, which puts another barrier into entering the market while it fills the insurance co pockets. Lose your job, can't afford insurance, it lapses. Now to get in again your premium is up to 130% more for a year.

    wtf? smh
    That money would go to the insurance companies. I guess that is a way to avoid a bunch of companies from going out of business without adding to the debt. Hopefully that keeps prices down. I might actually get it then. But yeah Trump promised too much.

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    No, he was going to do it while also cutting taxes and bringing down the debt. Why is this guy holding back on this brilliant plan he had? He already said he had to live up to his word on the muslim ban and did. Why not on healthcare too?
    he said we're going to "save so much money on the other side" that it wont add to the debt

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