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well, i any team could do it, you would have to think it would be one that leads the league in three point FG %.
Houston can beat anybody in the league. I just don't think they can beat everybody in the league. They will have a series where the 3's are falling like rain, and win it. They will have one where they aren't, and go fishing. It's the Spurs' job, if they meet, to make sure they aren't raining 3's.
well, i any team could do it, you would have to think it would be one that leads the league in three point FG %.
the rockets. Designated assassin slams Hardin into the scorers table suns déjà vu.
Hits nail on head....:
Simmons and his "I thought Harden was going to be the next Ginobili but he ended up being much, much better" comment, tbh.
How do you know Harden "ended up being much, much better"? Just because he got traded and went from being a 6th man to having the chance of getting all those 1st option gaudy stats? What does Harden do "much, much better" than prime Manu? Attack the basket, shoot the 3, pass the ball, rebound, defend?
I was surprised Zach, a self proclaimed fan of Ginobili, didn't push back on that.Simmons and his "I thought Harden was going to be the next Ginobili but he ended up being much, much better" comment, tbh.
How do you know Harden "ended up being much, much better"? Just because he got traded and went from being a 6th man to having the chance of getting all those 1st option gaudy stats? What does Harden do "much, much better" than prime Manu? Attack the basket, shoot the 3, pass the ball, rebound, defend?
Ginobili never put up these numbers and was never an MVP candidate. Easy call.
What a bunch of bull . Kawhi's terrific, one of the best, but I'd take Bowen over him on defense - especially when it came to defending point guards.
Neither would be Harden if he stayed on OKC to be their 6th man. He could probably have a championship or two by now though.
I don't think it's so blasphemous to say Harden is better than Ginobili. And this coming from someone who has Ginobili as his #1 athlete of all time.
harden has put up the numbers. i think manu could have, but it's pure speculation
Exactly
Ask Manu which he would rather have... Hollow, meaningless numbers or 4 les, lol
There's no James Harden without Manu Ginobili tbh...
What he did in the Olympics is probably one of the best things in sports history...
Harden in Houston (Age 23-27):
27.3ppg, 5.8rpg, 7.4apg, 60.7TS%, 25.1PER, .228 WS/48, 7.2 BPM
Per-36 Ginobili's first 5 seasons (Age 25-29):
18.1ppg, 5.1rpg, 4.5apg, 58.4TS%, 20.7PER, .215 WS/48, 5.8 BPM
I know some of you are hardcore Manu fanboys, but c'mon
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Harden is way better than Ginobili this isn't a debate and I love Ginobili.
Dude was getting cucked in the Finals instead.Harden in Houston (Age 23-27):
27.3ppg, 5.8rpg, 7.4apg, 60.7TS%, 25.1PER, .228 WS/48, 7.2 BPM
Per-36 Ginobili's first 5 seasons (Age 25-29):
18.1ppg, 5.1rpg, 4.5apg, 58.4TS%, 20.7PER, .215 WS/48, 5.8 BPM
I know some of you are hardcore Manu fanboys, but c'mon
That 2004 Team USA squad was a world juggernaut. Only Argentina could've beaten that dream team, oh wait.....
Future HOF, Carlos Arroyo, did it
tbf, Argentina was the only team to beat them twice. Obviously, that Argentina generation is long gone....That 2004 Team USA squad was a world juggernaut. Only Argentina could've beaten that dream team, oh wait.....
Future HOF, Carlos Arroyo, did it
About Houston, not that it matters, but IIRC, the Rockets have never lost a playoff series against the Spurs...
It'd be shades of 95 if Kawhi becomes MVP, hopefully it ends differently
The closest it got was 2014, the Rockets would have played the Spurs in round 2 if they hadn't gotten upset by Portland.
I still wish that Phoenix had gotten the 8th seed instead of Dallas and that Houston had beaten Portland. Then after the Spurs won the le they would have won the most recent playoff series they played against every other Western conference team (plus the Heat, Cavs, Pistons, Nets, and Knicks, and perhaps some others from when the Spurs were in the East).
I'm not saying is blasphemous to say Harden > Ginobili. I just don't think it's fair to have as a foregone conclusion that Harden is without a doubt a "much, much better" player than Manu ever was.
Do you think Simmons would be saying this if Harden was still the 6th man in OKC? Of course he wouldn't. And I'm sure the same would happen if Manu would have had the chance to prove himself as a number one option on an NBA team.
Take the stats out of the window for a moment and just think about Manu's and Harden's games. What does Harden do that prime Manu wasn't able to do?
-Elite rim attack and finishing? Check.
-Getting to the line? Check.
-Elite passing and playmaking? Check.
-3pt shooting? Check.
-3pt shooting off the dribble? Check.
If anything, the big difference I can find between the two is on defense and is in favour of Manu, tbrh.
The only knock on Manu could be the stamina/durability thing, but imho that has always been overblown.
Being a better player does not mean that you're putting up better stats. I'd argue that Patty and Danny are better than they were three years ago because their IQs have gone up while they haven't physically declined. LMA is iffy, because he hasn't really shown any signs that he can still explode for more than one game in a stretch. Obviously, Anderson/Simmons are better, and Lee will likely play his current role better than he played his old one.
More importantly, I don't get why this is a standard to measure anything. The Medium Three era Spurs would have beaten any team in a series today. They had everything but a consistently dominant front-court player. They don't have to beat at that level to beat Houston. They're going to struggle to find reliable scoring in the playoffs, and Harden's been the only "reliable" one against the Spurs so far -- and that's with Pop often putting Simmons and Manu on him for long stretches. They aren't built for playoff dominance.
Chicken gots in here are worried about every team in the West minus possibly the Grizzlies.
Nope. Built by D'Antoni.
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