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    - Paul isn't leaving $94M, an extra year, Los Angeles and a Griffin, Jordan, Re core (and say what you want about Rivers, but he sure as beats Simmons and Anderson) to join a Leonard, Aldridge, Green core, without a viable starting center option or single other proven commodity

    - I'd want to pay Lowry an exorbitant amount even less than I'd want to do so for Paul

    - The Spurs are probably going to look similar next season, which means the only real upside to this team will be Murray. Him being a significant player sooner than later is the only thing that can boost this team's ceiling in any meaningful way, but expectations should be tempered


    Ok but is he going to be our starter? Are the Spurs gonna pay him starting PG money? You'd think there might be a team that may be willing to do and if I'm Mills agent I've gotta find out. Let another team set your value and then go to Spurs and see where things stand.

    I know some don't like the idea of this but I've heard Spurs will kick the tires on CP3. Do you do that and have the risk of Mills walk?
    Why a fan base, who's gotten to witness probably the best 6th man of all-time, is so obsessed with starting, I'll never know.

    Mills damn near splits minutes with Parker, including closing duties in close games and since the latter can't stay healthy for more than a few weeks at a time, he has plenty of opportunities to play significantly more and he gets to do that on a perennial top 2 (regular season, at least) team in the league.

    If the gap in money is significant, that's one thing, but things being even close to equal, how's he going to beat that? I think he's intelligent and mature enough to not go to a clear cut worse situation just so that he has a greater opportunity to hear his name called in the starting lineup and average a few more mpg.

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    They can't pay everyone. If Jawun Evans is there when the Spurs pick in the draft, as he's currently projected, draft him. Dedmon should be the top priority in free agency.
    Why not? This isn't the NFL with its stupid hard cap. You can always overspend to re-sign your own and just be limited to vet min contracts and the MLE outside of that.

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    Why not? This isn't the NFL with its stupid hard cap. You can always overspend to re-sign your own and just be limited to vet min contracts and the MLE outside of that.
    I hear you I just feel Evans is a better younger player that could be had for much cheaper.

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    - Paul isn't leaving $94M, an extra year, Los Angeles and a Griffin, Jordan, Re core (and say what you want about Rivers, but he sure as beats Simmons and Anderson) to join a Leonard, Aldridge, Green core, without a viable starting center option or single other proven commodity

    - I'd want to pay Lowry an exorbitant amount even less than I'd want to do so for Paul

    - The Spurs are probably going to look similar next season, which means the only real upside to this team will be Murray. Him being a significant player sooner than later is the only thing that can boost this team's ceiling in any meaningful way, but expectations should be tempered




    Why a fan base, who's gotten to witness probably the best 6th man of all-time, is so obsessed with starting, I'll never know.

    Mills damn near splits minutes with Parker, including closing duties in close games and since the latter can't stay healthy for more than a few weeks at a time, he has plenty of opportunities to play significantly more and he gets to do that on a perennial top 2 (regular season, at least) team in the league.

    If the gap in money is significant, that's one thing, but things being even close to equal, how's he going to beat that? I think he's intelligent and mature enough to not go to a clear cut worse situation just so that he has a greater opportunity to hear his name called in the starting lineup and average a few more mpg.
    Near perfect post.

    Internal improvement and possibly some gem-in-the-rough or reclamation project. Internal improvement must come from Murray, and probably could come from Kyle and Bertans. Simmons is gone, so a low salary replacement there could break into the rotation. Hopefully we will not need a Patty replacement.

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    I'm thinking we see mostly the same roster next, unless we have a really ty showing in the playoffs. If that's the case, there should be more fundamental changes than just moving Parker or Pau, to include exploring options for LMA and Green since in my view either of their respective values won't be higher any time between the end of this season to the end of their contracts.

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    i don't think the spurs trade parker because manu retires. i think the spurs would drop parker if they could get cp3. i only bring this up because cp3 would mean no more patty.

    knicks will need a PG. they gotta throw money at patty? hopefully they'd be willing to take parker. parker would like new york/the limelight. brings championship experience.

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    Not that he can't change his mind in the off-season but didn't Paul already announced his intention to sign a five-year max contract extension with the clippers?
    He'll just Deandre them.

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    what 2 guards will be available this summer?

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    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/meet-th...174545337.html

    Patty Mills

    Teams are split on what Mills is: a true point guard or a scoring guard better suited to coming off the bench. He's a perfect Spur: a durable, steady, low-turnover player who improves every year and has been a valuable backup to Tony Parker. At 28, Mills' time is now. Expect a few teams to offer him the opportunity to start - and the money to go with it.

    The next contract: Three years, $36 million, comparable to the Nets' Jeremy Lin.

    San Antonio will have Mills' Bird-rights and can exceed the cap to re-sign him, but that will likely come at a significant cost.


    I don't see why that contract would dissuade them. Just offer 4/$40 M, with the 4th year partially guaranteed (say $5 M).

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    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/meet-th...174545337.html

    Patty Mills

    Teams are split on what Mills is: a true point guard or a scoring guard better suited to coming off the bench. He's a perfect Spur: a durable, steady, low-turnover player who improves every year and has been a valuable backup to Tony Parker. At 28, Mills' time is now. Expect a few teams to offer him the opportunity to start - and the money to go with it.

    The next contract: Three years, $36 million, comparable to the Nets' Jeremy Lin.

    San Antonio will have Mills' Bird-rights and can exceed the cap to re-sign him, but that will likely come at a significant cost.


    I don't see why that contract would dissuade them. Just offer 4/$40 M, with the 4th year partially guaranteed (say $5 M).
    That's too low.

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    That's too low.
    Almost everyone thought it would be for Green too.

    It's essentially semantics anyway. In my scenario, Mills would be guaranteed $1M less, with the possibility to make $4M more than their guestimate, it would just be spread over 4 years, to lower the AAV (average annual value) and keep the cap sheet cleaner.

    As an aside, I'm skeptical that they'll be willing to lose Mills and exceed the MLE (starting at $8.4M) to retain Dedmon.

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    Almost everyone thought it would be for Green too.

    It's essentially semantics anyway. In my scenario, Mills would be guaranteed $1M less, with the possibility to make $4M more than their guestimate, it would just be spread over 4 years, to lower the AAV (average annual value) and keep the cap sheet cleaner.

    As an aside, I'm skeptical that they'll be willing to lose Mills and exceed the MLE (starting at $8.4M) to retain Dedmon.
    Yeah but it was in relation to the cap. The cap went up like from 67mil to like 105mil. And it's going to continue to grow steadily over time. Other teams can easily throw more. Way more. The Spurs still have to be in the ball park.

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    Yeah but it was in relation to the cap. The cap went up like from 67mil to like 105mil. And it's going to continue to grow steadily over time. Other teams can easily throw more. Way more. The Spurs still have to be in the ball park.
    I know, but Green still reportedly received offers for 4/$60M. In this scenario, Mills would take at worst $1M less over the life of the contract and at best $4M more. Having some security in a 4th year could also be appealing, considering he turns 29 this year and is a pint sized, speed reliant guard.

    After this year, the cap is supposedly going to more or less flatten out.

    Anyway, the point is, if that's about what he gets offered elsewhere, I'd be surprised if he's not re-signed.

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    If he views himself as a starter (which he has said) and other teams view him as a starter (which some apparently do) he will land a sizeable deal at 12-14M per year.

    Spurs should not pay him that IMO as he is not the answer to the starting PG needs.

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    If he views himself as a starter (which he has said) and other teams view him as a starter (which some apparently do) he will land a sizeable deal at 12-14M per year.

    Spurs should not pay him that IMO as he is not the answer to the starting PG needs.
    How was he supposed to answer a question about wanting to start? Virtually every player would like to start if they had their druthers, but don't conflate that with his willing to go to some bottom feeder just because of that. The only way I could see him doing that is, if the difference in money is astronomical.

    If the Spurs get even close, he probably stays, since he essentially splits the position with Parker anyway.

    No one is turning him into a 32-34 mpg player, so what are we talking about here? Probably a 5 mpg increase at the absolute most.


    Let Mills walk.

    Back court will look something like this: IMO

    PG: Parker/ Murray/ vet PG for minimum)/ Forbes ( I think Murray will start by AS break)
    SG: Green/ Rookie or Simmons (1+1 deal)/ Hanga
    SF: Kawhi/ Kyle/ Rookie
    Barring a quantum leap from Murray, they'd be hard pressed to get out of the 1st round with that perimeter rotation.

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    If he views himself as a starter (which he has said) and other teams view him as a starter (which some apparently do) he will land a sizeable deal at 12-14M per year.

    Spurs should not pay him that IMO as he is not the answer to the starting PG needs.
    Let Mills walk.

    Back court will look something like this: IMO

    PG: Parker/ Murray/ vet PG for minimum)/ Forbes ( I think Murray will start by AS break)
    SG: Green/ Rookie or Simmons (1+1 deal) or a vet like Korver / Hanga
    SF: Kawhi/ Kyle/ Rookie

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    yeah paying porker 15M per is the much more reasonable option

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    yeah paying porker 15M per is the much more reasonable option

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    How was he supposed to answer a question about wanting to start? Virtually every player would like to start if they had their druthers, but don't conflate that with his willing to go to some bottom feeder just because of that. The only way I could see him doing that is, if the difference in money is astronomical.

    If the Spurs get even close, he probably stays, since he essentially splits the position with Parker anyway.

    No one is turning him into a 32-34 mpg player, so what are we talking about here? Probably a 5 mpg increase at the absolute most.




    Barring a quantum leap from Murray, they'd be hard pressed to get out of the 1st round with that perimeter rotation.
    They'll be hard pressed to get out of the 1st round as is anyway. Mills isn't changing the reality of the team. Spurs are who they are, they aren't a top contender even if their record suggest otherwise ( the league is so damn watered down its hard to tell).

    They need throw Murray in the fire much like they did Parker in 01' to expedite his growth and the teams' growth. I see next year as a transitioning year much like 02-03' was from the start.

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    How was he supposed to answer a question about wanting to start? Virtually every player would like to start if they had their druthers, but don't conflate that with his willing to go to some bottom feeder just because of that. The only way I could see him doing that is, if the difference in money is astronomical.

    If the Spurs get even close, he probably stays, since he essentially splits the position with Parker anyway.

    No one is turning him into a 32-34 mpg player, so what are we talking about here? Probably a 5 mpg increase at the absolute most.




    Barring a quantum leap from Murray, they'd be hard pressed to get out of the 1st round with that perimeter rotation.
    What's funny? Im not passing judgement (other than I personally don't think he's a starting caliber guard on a good team) just stating the facts of what Mills has said and other GM's. That's it.

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    They'll be hard pressed to get out of the 1st round as is anyway. Mills isn't changing the reality of the team. Spurs are who they are, they aren't a top contender even if their record suggest otherwise ( the league is so damn watered down its hard to tell).

    They need throw Murray in the fire much like they did Parker in 01' to expedite his growth and the teams' growth. I see next year as a transitioning year much like 02-03' was from the start.
    Stop being a delusional got.

    Some of ya.

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    What's funny? Im not passing judgement (other than I personally don't think he's a starting caliber guard on a good team) just stating the facts of what Mills has said and other GM's. That's it.
    By bringing it up every ing time, you're making it seem like that's all he cares about dude.

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    By bringing it up every ing time, you're making it seem like that's all he cares about dude.
    It's what he said and it's notable as a guy who has not been a starter and is behind a Spurs legend still under contract. It's the most relevant thing to discuss regarding Mills pending free agency variables

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    It's what he said and it's notable as a guy who has not been a starter and is behind a Spurs legend still under contract. It's the most relevant thing to discuss regarding Mills pending free agency variables
    You ever hear "making a mountain out of a molehill"?

    Yeah it's a variable. But you're letting it dictate everything else.

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    You ever hear "making a mountain out of a molehill"?

    Yeah it's a variable. But you're letting it dictate everything else.
    What else do we have to go on? I'm not saying it means it will be the only thing considered. I'm saying it has to be discussed and/or taken into context every single time Mills FA is discussed.

    Does it mean that there is no way he signs with SA? No. But for a guy who is the ultimate teammate to come right out and say "I want the opportunity to start" in the context of being asked about his looming free agency is stands out. You even see that being discussed in every article about him and how GM's view him as well.

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