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    Just look at when they polled people about the affordable care act and polled the SAME people in obamacare

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    It would have passed if not for the millions of illegal votes.

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    "force a vote on tax cuts when they finally get around to it."

    AHCA included $100Bs of tax cuts over 10 years.

    Later, the Repugs will cut taxes even more, paid for by tax cuts on everything but the military and vets (I don't believe they will really help vets)



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    Indoctrinated by public schools

    Same old tired textbook rightwing crap from you always
    I guess you think that public schools are over run with conservative types who spend the majority of the kids' days teaching them right wing crap instead of union, liberal types indoctrinating them. How do you explain the shift to the left then - especially of the young? Or what about those liberal professors - like that loon who was screaming her head off in that video.

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    I guess you think that public schools are over run with conservative types who spend the majority of the kids' days teaching them right wing crap instead of union, liberal types indoctrinating them. How do you explain the shift to the left then - especially of the young? Or what about those liberal professors - like that loon who was screaming her head off in that video.
    If I wanted to know Rush Limbaugh's opinion I'd put it on 1200 AM and tune into that fat

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    It would have passed if not for the millions of illegal votes.

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    Does anyone actually know anyone on Obamacare? I don't.

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    I guess you think that public schools are over run with conservative types who spend the majority of the kids' days teaching them right wing crap instead of union, liberal types indoctrinating them. How do you explain the shift to the left then - especially of the young? Or what about those liberal professors - like that loon who was screaming her head off in that video.
    Young people always skew left then get somewhat conservative as they age. But they become conservative relative to their time period meaning that if they were liberal in 1980 they're conservative now but in many cases fine with things like gay marriage and such. Even all this race baiting stuff like demonizing illegals will go away as hispanics become more a part of the electorate and you guys move forward and pick some Hispanic conservative to win their vote (which is possible since I don't think Hispanics will just vote block Democrat forever like a lot of people think especially if the candidates are a Hispanic man and a white woman for instance). Even if you blocked all illegal Hispanics from coming in the birth rates and such show them becoming more and more a higher % of the electorate.

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    Does anyone actually know anyone on Obamacare? I don't.
    roughly 6% of people get their insurance through the exchanges iirc. Most people get their insurance through their employer. Ask snakeboy, he appears to be unemployed

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    Mr. Trump looked resigned today. He looked so low energy.

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    Young people always skew left then get somewhat conservative as they age. But they become conservative relative to their time period meaning that if they were liberal in 1980 they're conservative now but in many cases fine with things like gay marriage and such. Even all this race baiting stuff like demonizing illegals will go away as hispanics become more a part of the electorate and you guys move forward and pick some Hispanic conservative to win their vote (which is possible since I don't think Hispanics will just vote block Democrat forever like a lot of people think especially if the candidates are a Hispanic man and a white woman for instance). Even if you blocked all illegal Hispanics from coming in the birth rates and such show them becoming more and more a higher % of the electorate.
    Young people are skewing much more left now than previously. Remember that most households are 2 income households now - the mother invariably must work just to make ends meet. That means the schools are where the kids spend the majority of the day, where they get most of their ideas from. Even among my 3 children - 3 years apart, I see a difference in how their classmates are. The youngest is among a class full of snowflakes - they whine and complain so much - so unlike my older whose class was much tougher, ambitious and hard-working.

    Race is not an issue with me. Imo, Americans dwell on/put too much stock in it. I'd say I have much more in common with the Cubans surrounding me than Americans - much more like Jamaicans culture-wise, family-wise and food-wise.

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    Young people are skewing much more left now than previously. Remember that most households are 2 income households now - the mother invariably must work just to make ends meet. That means the schools are where the kids spend the majority of the day, where they get most of their ideas from. Even among my 3 children - 3 years apart, I see a difference in how their classmates are. The youngest is among a class full of snowflakes - they whine and complain so much - so unlike my older whose class was much tougher, ambitious and hard-working.

    Race is not an issue with me. Imo, Americans dwell on/put too much stock in it. I'd say I have much more in common with the Cubans surrounding me than Americans - much more like Jamaicans culture-wise, family-wise and food-wise.
    On a scale of 1 to 10 rate Trump's performance thus far since winning the election.

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    Does anyone actually know anyone on Obamacare? I don't.
    Even if you're not on the exchanges or buy your insurance independently, your employer-sponsored insurance is affected by ACA. There is an aca fee for every policy and every policy must have the 10 essential benefits which drive up price in order to be aca-compliant. Depending on your company's size (over 50), they must provide health insurance or pay a fee.

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    Even if you're not on the exchanges or buy your insurance independently, your employer-sponsored insurance is affected by ACA. There is an aca fee for every policy and every policy must have the 10 essential benefits which drive up price in order to be aca-compliant. Depending on your company's size (over 50), they must provide health insurance or pay a fee.
    What happens when a woman shows up in the emergency room in labor without insurance?

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    On a scale of 1 to 10 rate Trump's performance thus far since winning the election.
    Before today's big flop, I'd rate it a 7 - he has tried to do a lot that he promised - sometimes moving too fast. After today, probably a 5. This is from my pov - what I wanted out of him when I voted for him. If he lowers corporate taxes to 15% and repatriates the trillions abroad resulting in jobs, I'll consider it a very successful presidency - a 9.

    In general, he needs to improve his messaging - going on TV and explaining whatever he's going to do before doing it - iow, sell it better. And he needs to let go of whatever mistakes he makes - like the Obama wiretap. And for heaven's sake, don't even mention Russia and stop perpetuating the Dems message.

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    What happens when a woman shows up in the emergency room in labor without insurance?
    What about it? They can't refuse her treatment - just like they can't since Reagan?

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    What about it? They can't refuse her treatment - just like they can't since Reagan?
    True, but who pays?

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    True, but who pays?
    Taxpayers - just like they have since Reagan. And you do know that ER use has gone up since ACA?

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...use-obamacare/

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    Before today's big flop, I'd rate it a 7 - he has tried to do a lot that he promised - sometimes moving too fast. After today, probably a 5. This is from my pov - what I wanted out of him when I voted for him. If he lowers corporate taxes to 15% and repatriates the trillions abroad resulting in jobs, I'll consider it a very successful presidency - a 9.

    In general, he needs to improve his messaging - going on TV and explaining whatever he's going to do before doing it - iow, sell it better. And he needs to let go of whatever mistakes he makes - like the Obama wiretap. And for heaven's sake, don't even mention Russia and stop perpetuating the Dems message.
    So now it's about taxes?

    We tried the repatriation tactic. We know the results. Why do you think it will be different?

    I can get behind leveling the playing field on corporate taxes (although 15% seems like a race to the bottom), but you're talking about eliminating loopholes that are lobbied for; hard. If Donald can't get a significant majority in the house to repeal and replace the ACA after whining about it for seven years, I have little faith in his ability to do anything. He's totally ineffectual and a poor leader. Compare his half assed effort to pass trumpcare with the political capital Obama invested in the ACA. It's pathetic. He has the attention span of a 3 year old. He will be considered one of the worst presidents in modern political history, imo.

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    Taxpayers - just like they have since Reagan. And you do know that ER use has gone up since ACA?

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...use-obamacare/
    Glad we can agree these costs are shared by taxpayers.

    I'd argue the increase in ER visits since the passage of the ACA is simply awareness that people know they can't be turned away.

    That's not a bad thing imo.

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    Umm, nominating Clinton was a pretty huge mistake. The GOP stole that SC spot.
    I agree about Clinton but that still doesn't account for all of the other Republican gains.

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    I guess you think that public schools are over run with conservative types who spend the majority of the kids' days teaching them right wing crap instead of union, liberal types indoctrinating them. How do you explain the shift to the left then - especially of the young? Or what about those liberal professors - like that loon who was screaming her head off in that video.
    Maybe people make up their own minds and more people are deciding that conservative ideology is backwards. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean the rest had to have been brainwashed.

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    Does anyone actually know anyone on Obamacare? I don't.
    Well yeah, no . Let me guess, you also don't know any sexuals, Muslims, scientists, or feminists.

    You've also never discussed race with a black person outside of the internet.

    Am I warm?

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    I dont think she would have stuck with Garland and the republicans would have rejected him anyway. But they would have been forced to at least give the guy a fair hearing.
    You can have Obamacare. We're getting Gorsuch.

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    So now it's about taxes?

    We tried the repatriation tactic. We know the results. Why do you think it will be different?

    I can get behind leveling the playing field on corporate taxes (although 15% seems like a race to the bottom), but you're talking about eliminating loopholes that are lobbied for; hard. If Donald can't get a significant majority in the house to repeal and replace the ACA after whining about it for seven years, I have little faith in his ability to do anything. He's totally ineffectual and a poor leader. Compare his half assed effort to pass trumpcare with the political capital Obama invested in the ACA. It's pathetic. He has the attention span of a 3 year old. He will be considered one of the worst presidents in modern political history, imo.
    Look, you asked me to rate him so I did. It's not like I volunteered my opinion or (very respectfully) asked for yours - I can already guess the opinion of most on Trump and gee whiz, it's only been what 63? days.

    Sorry, it's been a bad day as a republican so maybe I'm venting more than usual. I just want to get it all out and enjoy myself with dh at tennis tomorrow - gonna see the GOAT (although he loses every time I see him live at Miami Open) - maybe I'm a jinx. But 2017 for Federer is like 2014 for the Spurs for me - delicious icing on the cake.

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