Thunder: Westbrook Haters

[Fabbs]

How tanky were the Mavs last night?

[Mark Celibate]

Sorry, there's no way I'd want my team to build around this guy. He has a triple double because the offense is just give him the ball everytime and let him do what he wants. Anybody with the ball in their hands so much, with that talent, can get 10 assists since he will oftentimes get doubled but it's disappointing because he can do so much more.

He seems like a very abrasive teammate. You rarely see him celebrate when other teammates make a play, only wants to beat his chest, stare down the fans, etc after he makes a big shot. He only passes the ball when he has to (i.e. stampeding into the paint, getting swarmed, and then kicking it out). It's very ugly to watch and you can tell he only cares about himself and doesn't care about his teammates. Look at the way the Warriors and Spurs play, the ball is always moving and guys are having fun. The early 2000's Sacramento Kings were the same way. You can tell when a team truly enjoys playing with each other and it starts with the best player.

[lebomb]

"Westbrook hit a pull-up jumper with seven seconds left and the Thunder erased a 13-point deficit in the final four minutes for a 92-91 victory over the Mavericks on Monday night.

The six-time All-Star and current NBA scoring leader, whom Cuban steadfastly claims isn't a superstar, had his third straight triple-double with 37 points, 13 rebounds and 10 assists. Westbrook scored 12 in a 14-0 run by Oklahoma City to finish it, but said he wasn't trying to convince Cuban, who was in the first row of seats just a few feet from the winning shot."

I will take this all day. Yall can hate on WB, but I would take him. *shrugs*

[DMC]

Wow he got right at 10 assists. Wonder how that transpired against such a Western powerhouse?

[lebomb]

Wow he got right at 10 assists. Wonder how that transpired against such a Western powerhouse?

He always gets 10 assists.

[Fabbs]

What is the stat for "clock time ball in Westbrooks possession" vs all time stat padders / ballhogs?

[lebomb]

The thing that is funny to me? Everyone acts like a triple double is easy to get. A double double is much easier and I can see Westbrook getting a lot of dub dubs through stat padding. Getting his points and even if it was a set up rebounds. But you add in the assists? ........ assists that even the top PGs cant average. These guards do not have to ball hog or troll for boards, all they have to do is pass the ball and they cant avg 10 assists. You have to see that he is doing something special. With another 9 players on the court besides himself, to average a triple double is hard as .

/drops the mic

[MultiTroll]

The thing that is funny to me? Everyone acts like a triple double is easy to get. ........ assists that even the top PGs cant average. These guards do not have to ball hog or troll for boards, all they have to do is pass the ball and they cant avg 10 assists. You have to see that he is doing something special. With another 9 players on the court besides himself, to average a triple double is hard as .

I think it's both.
He is a mega stat padder but is also doing some excellent playing to get that many assists / triple doubles.

A lot of his passes are great.
Can we get that "ball in his hands" stat and see how he lines up All Time?

[unleashbaynes]

The thing that is funny to me? Everyone acts like a triple double is easy to get. A double double is much easier and I can see Westbrook getting a lot of dub dubs through stat padding. Getting his points and even if it was a set up rebounds. But you add in the assists? ........ assists that even the top PGs cant average. These guards do not have to ball hog or troll for boards, all they have to do is pass the ball and they cant avg 10 assists. You have to see that he is doing something special. With another 9 players on the court besides himself, to average a triple double is hard as .

/drops the mic

You really think LeBron and Harden couldn't avg a triple double if they wanted to? They could. But they do this thing where they play team ball and don't cheat off of defensive assignments to rebounds.

Geno Aurriemma(lol women's bball, lol "sport") said it best. I'd rather lose than watch him play the way he plays.

[Fabbs]

Average seconds per touch.
Among large minutes played:
John Wall 6.0
Kemba Walker
Beard
Brooks Indiana
Westchuck is about 8th at 5.36

Not the "total time of ball possession" stat I was looking for but still sheds some light.

Westchuck and Beard with an astounding 99 touches per game. Easily #1 and #2.

[Fabbs]

You really think LeBron and Harden couldn't avg a triple double if they wanted to? They could. But they do this thing where they play team ball and don't cheat off of defensive assignments to rebounds.

Kwa is another one.
Altho you mentioned Hardens defense.

[I. Hustle]

Westbrook is a beast. Makes no sense to say otherwise.

[140]

Wow he got right at 10 assists. Wonder how that transpired against such a Western powerhouse?

It was in predictable fashion. He got back into the game with 9 assists and didn't even look for his shot until he got that 10th. It was kinda funny though because his teammates missed like 4 straight gimmies After that he went back to chucker mode for the rest of the game

[Fabbs]

Time per possession
9.0 Beard
8.9 Wall
8.8 Westchuck

Would be interesting to see All Time if any Legit (unrigged) Championship teams have ever won with a TOP as high as these two.

[Mark Celibate]

Time per possession
9.0 Beard
8.9 Wall
8.8 Westchuck

Would be interesting to see All Time if any Legit (unrigged) Championship teams have ever won with a TOP as high as these two.

Ding Ding Ding!

That's the problem. There's no denying Westbrook is an immense talent, it's also fair to say that his team is still much better with him than with an average player at his position. That's not the issue. The problem is that somebody with his talent doesn't make his teammates better, makes poor decisions in between the eye popping stats, and just doesn't seem to get any better each season in that regards.

It was similar to Dwight Howard. Yeah he will make your team better, but it was agonizing to watch because you know he could do so much more. Westbrook has the same issue although he's the opposite extreme of Howard.

[lebomb]

It was in predictable fashion. He got back into the game with 9 assists and didn't even look for his shot until he got that 10th. It was kinda funny though because his teammates missed like 4 straight gimmies After that he went back to chucker mode for the rest of the game

All that you said does not matter one bit. Yall LOST. Thunder with the W.

[lebomb]

Ding Ding Ding!

That's the problem. There's no denying Westbrook is an immense talent, it's also fair to say that his team is still much better with him than with an average player at his position. That's not the issue. The problem is that somebody with his talent doesn't make his teammates better, makes poor decisions in between the eye popping stats, and just doesn't seem to get any better each season in that regards.

It was similar to Dwight Howard. Yeah he will make your team better, but it was agonizing to watch because you know he could do so much more. Westbrook has the same issue although he's the opposite extreme of Howard.

LMAO.....noone can make the Thunder scrubs better. If it takes WB making a TripDub in order for them to win over 80% of their games, so be it. MJ in his prime could not make the Thunders other 4 starters better. , MJ would have to avg a TripDub to get these clowns a victory. Who is better than a C+/B- player on the Thunder other than WB? Oladipo maybe. Thats it. They have a terrible lineup after those two guys.

[Kyle Orton]

You should bend your of a wife over and let Russy Russ stick it right in.

[lebomb]

You should bend your of a wife over and let Russy Russ stick it right in.

Here we go, 10yr olds playing on the internet. You are so immature, grow up kid.

[unleashbaynes]

Why do i get the feeling that some of these so-called "scrubs" playing with Westbrook would be fine on teams that utilized them properly?

[unleashbaynes]

Here we go, 10yr olds playing on the internet. You are so immature, grow up kid.

Well you are going pretty hard on the ball washing and really haven't brought any good arguments other than "but but look at the stats!" Then when others try to provide context for those stats you just rant and rave about how awesome triple doubles are and how ty his teammates(basketball players being paid to play in the best league in the world) are.

[lebomb]

Well you are going pretty hard on the ball washing and really haven't brought any good arguments other than "but but look at the stats!" Then when others try to provide context for those stats you just rant and rave about how awesome triple doubles are and how ty his teammates(basketball players being paid to play in the best league in the world) are.

Do you read anything? The Thunder WIN over 80% of the time when he has a triple dub!!! Thats what you want is wins!!!! If the only way your team can get the win is by relying on one single player, you take it. The Thunder are not talented enough top to bottom to win without WB going crazy. I dont even need to argue. Go look it all up. The Thunder suck (win less than 35%) when he tries to spread the ball.

[Fabbs]

Do you read anything? The Thunder WIN over 80% of the time when he has a triple dub!!! Thats what you want is wins!!!! If the only way your team can get the win is by relying on one single player, you take it. The Thunder are not talented enough top to bottom to win without WB going crazy. I dont even need to argue. Go look it all up. The Thunder suck (win less than 35%) when he tries to spread the ball.

I dunno.
3-1 lead over Golden State before Durant threw the series.

[pookenstein]

Crazy as it might sound, but I think his game would be more impressive if he only had 31p/10a/6r. If he put the energy to get the rebounds into defending, I think very few people would argue with him becoming MVP.

[Seventyniner]

Do you read anything? The Thunder WIN over 80% of the time when he has a triple dub!!! Thats what you want is wins!!!! If the only way your team can get the win is by relying on one single player, you take it. The Thunder are not talented enough top to bottom to win without WB going crazy. I dont even need to argue. Go look it all up. The Thunder suck (win less than 35%) when he tries to spread the ball.

Correlation != causation