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    Manu must go also..... I love that guy but it's time
    The front office will probably give him another 15m

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    It's sad but true.
    The few games this season that he showed flashback games the Spurs were able to hit another gear bc they need production from that spot. The fact he can't do that nightly or even stay healthy for that matter is a sign that he shouldn't be a starter for a contender at this point in his career. He's done as a starting caliber PG sadly. And I wish that was not so. I wish Tony would make me eat crow in the playoffs and all over this take...

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    Warriors don't have any 2-way liabilities, tbh..closest is Curry being an average defender and Zaza being an average offensive player(neither has ever hurt the Warriors in any capacity, though)..

    Spurs have 2 in Kawhi and Aldridge, 3 if Green is making his 3s(Simmons is a guy that could be a 4th if his game is on)..outside of that, every player in the rotation is a liability on one end of the floor..Dedmon can't play offense, Pau and Lee don't play defense..Mills has consistently been exposed by the Warriors, defensively..Parker and Ginobili's struggles are well-do ented..

    It was on display during this game..Pau was somewhat effective on offense, but the defense got shredded whenever he was on the floor..Lee scored a bit, but couldn't stop anybody, including David West..the trio of Parker/Ginobili/Anderson scored decently, but couldn't get any stops..

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    Any high caliber PG Free Agents available this summer, tbh? I don't think we're going to be waiting for Murray to blossom...
    One does wonder if Pop is going to wait for Murray or not...
    PG market 2017:
    http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-...-point-guards/

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    One does wonder if Pop is going to wait for Murray or not...
    PG market 2017:
    http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-...-point-guards/
    Thanks. Don't trust Lowry (we already had fat PGs, tbh), but he might just be what's available...

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    Most people complaining about Parker aren't just complaining about this season. The writing has been on the wall for years that once he lost his quickness, his game would fall off a cliff which is exactly what has happened. The Spurs have not addressed the Tony aging problem and have handcuffed themselves of resolving it by paying him all that money this late in his career.

    But we can all we want on here back and forth, myself included. Ultimately, pop gives 0 s and will do what he wants and after they lose in the playoffs, he'll go have some wine with Tony and Manu in France

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    One does wonder if Pop is going to wait for Murray or not...
    PG market 2017:
    http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-...-point-guards/
    Pop didn't wait for Tony to blossom. He forced his bloom in the hothouse, tbh.

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    I tell you Rose may be good bargain this offseason.
    by "good bargain", do you mean the $30 million a season he wants/?

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    Parker's been wildly inconsistent. We all knew Parker's shelf was shorter than other top tier point guards due to his dependency on speed and inability to shoot. I thought one of the season's best stretches came when Parker was out in January with wins against Denver, Cleveland and Toronto.

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    Thanks. Don't trust Lowry (we already had fat PGs, tbh), but he might just be what's available...
    at least he can shoot

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    Pop didn't wait for Tony to blossom. He forced his bloom in the hothouse, tbh.
    Different times, tbh... Tony is part of franchise history now...

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    Different times, tbh... Tony is part of franchise history now...
    Plenty of coaches start young guys and live with their learning errors and coach them up in real games. Malcolm Brogdon this season, for example.

    To your second point: because Tony is part of the team's history he is entrenched as the starting PG until he dies?

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    Plenty of coaches start young guys and live with their learning errors and coach them up in real games. Malcolm Brogdon this season, for example.

    To your second point: because Tony is part of the team's history he is entrenched as the starting PG until he dies?
    it's basically what he means. Duncan is my favorite player of all time, but I didn't want him coming back if he's done. The same with REAL laker fans. The REAL fans were happy to see Kobe retire.

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    Plenty of coaches start young guys and live with their learning errors and coach them up in real games. Malcolm Brogdon this season, for example.

    To your second point: because Tony is part of the team's history he is entrenched as the starting PG until he dies?
    I'm not saying it's right, all I'm saying is that as long as Pop/RC are at the controls, you know how this story is going to go: Tony isn't going anywhere, IMO.

    I would think they'll at least try to talk him into coming off the bench, but I don't see Pop starting Murray on his sop re year, tbh... I think the Spurs let Patty walk and look for a George Hill-kind of starting caliber PG...

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    I hate all the PG alternatives, tbh..George Hill is going to be in his 30s and has been very inconsistent, way too risky IMO..Lowry is getting old and I don't trust aging, fat PGs based on what we've seen from that type of player in the past(Baron Davis, etc)..

    Spurs are just in a bad spot, in this regard..

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    I hate all the PG alternatives, tbh..George Hill is going to be in his 30s and has been very inconsistent, way too risky IMO..Lowry is getting old and I don't trust aging, fat PGs based on what we've seen from that type of player in the past(Baron Davis, etc)..

    Spurs are just in a bad spot, in this regard..
    In this starting lineup you would need somebody that can shoot... I think at least Hill can do that... I don't really see the starting lineup changing the way they play much as long as LMA/Kawhi are there...

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    I hate all the PG alternatives, tbh..George Hill is going to be in his 30s and has been very inconsistent, way too risky IMO..Lowry is getting old and I don't trust aging, fat PGs based on what we've seen from that type of player in the past(Baron Davis, etc)..

    Spurs are just in a bad spot, in this regard..
    Exactly. They really have almost no choice but to force feed Murray.

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    I'm not saying it's right, all I'm saying is that as long as Pop/RC are at the controls, you know how this story is going to go: Tony isn't going anywhere, IMO.

    I would think they'll at least try to talk him into coming off the bench, but I don't see Pop starting Murray on his sop re year, tbh... I think the Spurs let Patty walk and look for a George Hill-kind of starting caliber PG...
    Tony is no longer NBA-level talent for more than 1 game out of every 6 or 7. Pop knows this. He has already been forced to the bench for all intents and purposes except for a ceremonial start - and more meaningful minutes on the rare occasion when his start justifies them. You don't subvert a franchise for such a player.

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    Exactly. They really have almost no choice but to force feed Murray.
    That's probably the plan for the next year, regardless of potential FA options, since Parker will still be on the books..hopefully a transition at the PG position begins, next season..

    As for this year, Pop is going to ride with Parker until death..

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    Tony is no longer NBA-level talent for more than 1 game out of every 6 or 7. Pop knows this. He has already been forced to the bench for all intents and purposes except for a ceremonial start - and more meaningful minutes on the rare occasion when his start justifies them. You don't subvert a franchise for such a player.
    Pop might know this, but I'll be legit shocked if he starts what basically amounts a rook over franchise legend... Again, I don't disagree with you, just stating what I think it's been the Spurs modus operandi over the years, from a personnel/respect standpoint.

    If Patty is gone, I think they'll be legitimately looking for a more seasoned PG...

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    That's probably the plan for the next year, regardless of potential FA options, since Parker will still be on the books..hopefully a transition at the PG position begins, next season..

    As for this year, Pop is going to ride with Parker until death..
    Murray's injury this year has been tragic for him and the team. I doubt that would have altered the "Parker-until-death" determination of Pop, but if Parker had been injured (as he was) and Murray not... maybe Pop would have ridden Murray much more once Tony returned.

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    Pop might know this, but I'll be legit shocked if he starts what basically amounts a rook over franchise legend... Again, I don't disagree with you, just stating what I think it's been the Spurs modus operandi over the years, from a personnel/respect standpoint.

    If Patty is gone, I think they'll be legitimately looking for a more seasoned PG...
    I'll be legit shocked if he doesn't. There really isn't a precedent for you to say "history" supports continuing to start Tony. Our other franchise legends, DRob and Timmy, retired before they reached the nadir that Tony has.

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    I'll be legit shocked if he doesn't. There really isn't a precedent for you to say "history" supports continuing to start Tony. Our other franchise legends, DRob and Timmy, retired before they reached the nadir that Tony has.
    The question should be reversed... outside of Dejuan Blair and Kawhi, neither of which played in the big 3 roles, who else has Pop started as a rook/sop re that wasn't already a pro (ie: Manu/Oberto/Splitter)? I can't think of one. We went out there and got Hedo, Bonner, RJ, Mason... not even Danny fits that bill. If you actually think back, Tony is really the oddity.

    Again, I would actually like to throw Murray into the fire, I just don't know that Pop will.

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    by "good bargain", do you mean the $30 million a season he wants/?
    I've read nothing like that from him. He's said money no longer matters, he's made good money, he claims he wants to win. How true he is to those sentiments remains to be seen.

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    I've read nothing like that from him. He's said money no longer matters, he's made good money, he claims he wants to win. How true he is to those sentiments remains to be seen.
    http://www.sbnation.com/2017/1/11/14...ontract-knicks
    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/de...t-this-summer/
    http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news...71nye740p5c33g


    If we pay that mf $30 million a year so he could spend the 5 years in San Antonio hospitals, I'm done..

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