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Patty forces more shots then tp
Play off Kawhi and if you're open take the shot, just like Paddy and everyone else on the team does. Tired of this over the hill scrub thinking it's time to put his hero cape on and go 1-on-1 late in the 4th Qtr.
Patty forces more shots then tp
Spot-up threes created by others. That's Paddy's job, he knows his role. Not even comparable.
Pop on ESPN said this was tp better year because he is accepting his role and the changes he has to do
Tony trying to show Pop he is still the man.
Popovich got to consider benching Parker when we get a decent lead later in the game because that's his cue to get his point. The he was pulling in the 4th quarter tonight late was ridiculous.
ego
self pride
me player vs team player
enabling coach
brain cannot accept bodys limltations
Spurs 17-4 since all star break
Could both of them be benched in such cir stances?
Kwa player coach or one of the bench Non Yes Men (is there one?)
Ya you can just see this game was very similar to 2015 and 2016 screw ups where defeat was snatched from the jaws of victory.
We've been over this.
If you want this team have ANY chance of keeping up with the Warriors in a 7 games, one of the backcourt players is going to have to step up and not just be a threat to score consistent double figures but also play the kind of game that can pressure defenses, like penetration and probing. Double digit games through spot up shooting from the likes of Green and Patty won't be enough. Again, this team needs a guard who can make other guards work.
"InB4 Parker fluffer."
No. I'm "backing" Parker because there's no other choice.
This is also for Kawhi's benefit. He desperately needs a fellow perimeter player who can create in some fashion. When the guards aren't doing , it forces Kawhi into having to carry the offense by settling for ty midrange jumpers. Kawhi would get a lot more lanes to drive from on the weakside off Parker penetration. Like here.
E.g. Parker drives to the right, defense collapses, Parker finds a cutting Leonard for dunk. You're asking too much of Kawhi for everyone to just "play off" him.
Yeah, too bad Parker rarely makes that pass.We've been over this.
If you want this team have ANY chance of keeping up with the Warriors in a 7 games, one of the backcourt players is going to have to step up and not just be a threat to score consistent double figures but also play the kind of game that can pressure defenses, like penetration and probing. Double digit games through spot up shooting from the likes of Green and Patty won't be enough. Again, this team needs a guard who can make other guards work.
"InB4 Parker fluffer."
No. I'm "backing" Parker because there's no other choice.
This is also for Kawhi's benefit. He desperately needs a fellow perimeter player who can create in some fashion. When the guards aren't doing , it forces Kawhi into having to carry the offense by settling for ty midrange jumpers. Kawhi would get a lot more lanes to drive from on the weakside off Parker penetration. Like here.
E.g. Parker drives to the right, defense collapses, Parker finds a cutting Leonard for dunk. You're asking too much of Kawhi for everyone to just "play off" him.
Why are you still bringing this up like it has any chance of happening?We've been over this.
If you want this team have ANY chance of keeping up with the Warriors in a 7 games, one of the backcourt players is going to have to step up and not just be a threat to score consistent double figures but also play the kind of game that can pressure defenses, like penetration and probing. Double digit games through spot up shooting from the likes of Green and Patty won't be enough. Again, this team needs a guard who can make other guards work.
"InB4 Parker fluffer."
No. I'm "backing" Parker because there's no other choice.
This is also for Kawhi's benefit. He desperately needs a fellow perimeter player who can create in some fashion. When the guards aren't doing , it forces Kawhi into having to carry the offense by settling for ty midrange jumpers. Kawhi would get a lot more lanes to drive from on the weakside off Parker penetration. Like here.
E.g. Parker drives to the right, defense collapses, Parker finds a cutting Leonard for dunk. You're asking too much of Kawhi for everyone to just "play off" him.
We've been over this.
If you want this team have ANY chance of keeping up with the Warriors in a 7 games, one of the backcourt players is going to have to step up and not just be a threat to score consistent double figures but also play the kind of game that can pressure defenses, like penetration and probing. Double digit games through spot up shooting from the likes of Green and Patty won't be enough. Again, this team needs a guard who can make other guards work.
"InB4 Parker fluffer."
No. I'm "backing" Parker because there's no other choice.
This is also for Kawhi's benefit. He desperately needs a fellow perimeter player who can create in some fashion. When the guards aren't doing , it forces Kawhi into having to carry the offense by settling for ty midrange jumpers. Kawhi would get a lot more lanes to drive from on the weakside off Parker penetration. Like here.
E.g. Parker drives to the right, defense collapses, Parker finds a cutting Leonard for dunk. You're asking too much of Kawhi for everyone to just "play off" him.
Did you even watch the game? He was going 1-on-1 for himself late in the 4th. It wasn't for the benefit of anyone other than himself, trying to get the personal satisfaction of being the hero down the stretch. He was actually playing really well for his standards prior to that. But that's the issue with him, if he's playing well he thinks it gives him the green light to do things like that down the stretch even if he's a below average player. It's like Matt Barnes thinking the 4th Qtr is his time just because he's having a good game.
Better chance of happening than beating the Warriors without him contributing.
Learn to deal with it. I have. Pop and Co. didn't address this situation two years ago, so it is what it in' is.
I'll rewatch the sequences. You guys have a habit of thinking every Parker shot down the stretch is "hero ball" even if it was the highest percentage shot the offense as whole created.
Did you even watch the game? He was going 1-on-1 for himself late in the 4th. It wasn't for the benefit of anyone other than himself, trying to get the personal satisfaction of being the hero down the stretch. He was actually playing really well for his standards prior to that. But that's the issue with him, if he's playing well he thinks it gives him the green light to do things like that down the stretch even if he's a below average player. It's like Matt Barnes thinking the 4th Qtr is his time just because he's having a good game.
It was pretty bad, and I'm usually pretty fair with my comments about him. At one point he went against three Memphis defenders on a fast break with the Spurs up 7 with 2-3 mins to go, turned it over, and it led to a 5-on-4 where Memphis got an And-1.
One shot, maybe I can live with. Three in the last 3-4 mins of regulation for a Matt Barnes level player is a problem though. He had 5 FGAs prior to that. Clearly his heroitis consumed him, tbh.
He had TOs too like Robz said.
The Spurs beat the Warriors without TP doing anything of what you are saying and they got a 22 pts lead in the last game with TP doing literally nothing. To tell you the truth I don't think the Spurs can beat the Warriors in the playoffs anyway but I don't know why are you still beating that drum. I doubt Tony even plays 20 mpp against GS. You saying Tony needs to be a threat to beat Golden State in the playoffs is like me saying Green needs to start attacking the basket, finishing at the rim and creating off the dribble. It may sound good, but it's a ing pipe dream, so I don't get the point of even arguing that .
trying to spin a game he didn't watch. just like dpg the other night.
In the playoffs?
False analogy re: Green. Tony has been a penetrator his entire career and still shows flashes. Danny has never had that game. It'd be more like: "Danny is 100-400 on 3 pt shots this season, so thinking he'll magically turn it around is wishful thinking. A pipe dream."
Guess what? I'd still want him shooting because he's essentially the only SG option who can hit 3s at volume.
Team is what it is.
Still shows flashes? When? Once every 15 games?
Ok then, let me try another analogy: You saying Tony needs to be a threat to beat GS is like me saying Manu needs to be a threat to beat GS. It's not happening, it's a useless discussion. Neither guy can do what they used to do. Any of them forcing the issue would result in an embarrassment for them and a hindrance for the team. They are nothing more than role players now, asking them to up their usage to the levels you want would bring nothing but disaster for the team.
Let's take a look. I'm starting at the 5 minute mark when Tony was supposedly "killing the team" with bad plays.
Here's the 1st TO. Kawhi found Tony who took one dribble and attempted a quick pass to a wide open Simmons. I see nothing wrong with this. There was no "hero-balling" here nor was it an irresponsible play. Memphis defender simply made a good steal. Kawhi turned it over on the previous possession, Simmons turned it over on the next one, but no one said anything about that.
Play 2:
Tony had a step and should've driven straight ahead for a layup. He didn't "go into 3 defenders" as Gasol was clearly beat and the other play out of position. Tony did UP though by trying a cute spin move instead of just keeping it simple. Now he brought Fat Gasol back into the play:
That said, he did create a wide open layup for himself which he simply muffed:
But I still don't like trying the spin. Just makes a layup all that much harder.
"Tony freezes out Kawhi in crunch time to hero." Well, this play wasn't a good example of that. Tony got the ball with about 17 seconds left and found Kawhi seconds after:
Kawhi got trapped and back passed to Gasol, who then found Tony with 10 seconds left on the clock.
Tony has no passing lanes here. All men are marked. So you can't just expect to "give it up" in this situation. Where's he going to pass it to? The result was a clear out iso (which the other players were on board with since they didn't move from their spot up positions through the entire sequence) and Tony got a good look out of it:
And the Spurs are going to NEED Tony creating these type of shots down the stretch in the playoffs. It just can't be Kawhi-all-the-time during the last 5 minutes of the 4th. And rewatching the last 5 minutes, Tony gave the ball up pretty much every time down. So he did his "job" more than he didn't do it and only attacked when there was a breakdown. But again, I do not like his fancy spin move, which is really the only bad play he made in the last half of the 4th quarter.
I'm all in on Manu, as well. Manu is the only dynamic SG on the team who can playmake, break down defenses through penetration, etc. Unless you think Simmons is ready, but I don't. Pop once again missed the boat by not developing him more throughout the season. Green and Mills are spot up offensive players. They don't create like Manu and Parker can, and we're going to need backcourt "creation" to even have a puncher's chance. Just "gibbing bawl to Kiwi" will bring even more disaster.Still shows flashes? When? Once every 15 games?
Ok then, let me try another analogy: You saying Tony needs to be a threat to beat GS is like me saying Manu needs to be a threat to beat GS. It's not happening, it's a useless discussion. Neither guy can do what they used to do. Any of them forcing the issue would result in an embarrassment for them and a hindrance for the team. They are nothing more than role players now, asking them to up their usage to the levels you want would bring nothing but disaster for the team.
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