Why can't Enrique accept his role player status?

[ducks]

Ouch tp haters are about as stupid as Clinton supporters

[gambit1990]

Let's take a look. I'm starting at the 5 minute mark when Tony was supposedly "killing the team" with bad plays.

Here's the 1st TO. Kawhi found Tony who took one dribble and attempted a quick pass to a wide open Simmons. I see nothing wrong with this. There was no "hero-balling" here nor was it an irresponsible play. Memphis defender simply made a good steal. Kawhi turned it over on the previous possession, Simmons turned it over on the next one, but no one said anything about that.



Play 2:



Tony had a step and should've driven straight ahead for a layup. He didn't "go into 3 defenders" as Gasol was clearly beat and the other play out of position. Tony did UP though by trying a cute spin move instead of just keeping it simple. Now he brought Fat Gasol back into the play:



That said, he did create a wide open layup for himself which he simply muffed:



But I still don't like trying the spin. Just makes a layup all that much harder.

"Tony freezes out Kawhi in crunch time to hero." Well, this play wasn't a good example of that. Tony got the ball with about 17 seconds left and found Kawhi seconds after:



Kawhi got trapped and back passed to Gasol, who then found Tony with 10 seconds left on the clock.



Tony has no passing lanes here. All men are marked. So you can't just expect to "give it up" in this situation. Where's he going to pass it to? The result was a clear out iso (which the other players were on board with since they didn't move from their spot up positions through the entire sequence) and Tony got a good look out of it:



And the Spurs are going to NEED Tony creating these type of shots down the stretch in the playoffs. It just can't be Kawhi-all-the-time during the last 5 minutes of the 4th. And rewatching the last 5 minutes, Tony gave the ball up pretty much every time down. So he did his "job" more than he didn't do it and only attacked when there was a breakdown. But again, I do not like his fancy spin move, which is really the only bad play he made in the last half of the 4th quarter.

"tony did good down the stretch. that's why he didn't play in OT."

[DAF86]

I'm all in on Manu, as well. Manu is the only dynamic SG on the team who can playmake, break down defenses through penetration, etc. Unless you think Simmons is ready, but I don't. Pop once again missed the boat by not developing him more throughout the season. Green and Mills are spot up offensive players. They don't create like Manu and Parker can, and we're going to need backcourt "creation" to even have a puncher's chance. Just "gibbing bawl to Kiwi" will bring even more disaster.

Well then, you are in for a rude awakening if you expect anything else from Manu and TP than the versions they displayed during this regular season, tbh.

[midnightpulp]

Well then, you are in for a rude awakening if you expect anything else from Manu and TP than the versions they displayed during this regular season, tbh.

You're in for even a ruder awakening if you thinking forcefeeding Kawhi while a bunch of spot up and midrange shooters just stand around and watch will even win a game against Golden State.

[midnightpulp]

"tony did good down the stretch. that's why he didn't play in OT."

10 points, 7 dimes, 50% shooting, 2 steals and ran the offense fine.

I see nothing to complain about. Tony is the only player on this team not allowed to make mistakes.

"He didn't play OT "

He gets gassed easily now, and I have no problem with other players closing. My essential point to your dumbass is this team won't do with Tony being a 15min per game player like you re s want.

[gambit1990]

Well then, you are in for a rude awakening if you expect anything else from Manu and TP than the versions they displayed during this regular season, tbh.

[DAF86]

You're in for even a ruder awakening if you thinking forcefeeding Kawhi while a bunch of spot up and midrange shooters just stand around and watch will even win a game against Golden State.

I'm not sure we will make it out of the second round, but if we do, and we also get at least a game from GS, it will be playing the same way we played all season long.

[gambit1990]

10 points, 7 dimes, 50% shooting, 2 steals and ran the offense fine.

I see nothing to complain about.

sounds like he pulled you back in just like he did with the grizzlies.

[midnightpulp]

sounds like he pulled you back in just like he did with the grizzlies.

So biased.

I told you ers that your ty eye-test "evaluations" of Parker fail you when compared to actual freeze-frame analysis. He played a good game. And no amount from you helmets can change that fact.

[gambit1990]

So biased.

I told you ers that your ty eye-test "evaluations" of Parker fail you when compared to actual freeze-frame analysis. He played a good game. And no amount from you helmets can change that fact.

no one thinks tp did good down the stretch. except you and dpg.

i don't have to spin , unlike you mr. "freeze-frame analyst"

[midnightpulp]

no one thinks tp did good down the stretch. except you and dpg.

i don't have to spin , unlike you mr. "freeze-frame analyst"

I never said he did "good." He obviously didn't because he missed two gimmies. I'm debunking your re ed spinjob that he made bad, "heroballing" selfish plays. He didn't force anything except trying to do much with a spin move.

So biased

[gambit1990]

I never said he did "good."

[gambit1990]

I'm debunking your re ed spinjob that he made bad, "heroballing" selfish plays.

my "spinjob"

you sound like trump defending parker. keep grasping i guess.

[midnightpulp]

Had a good overall game. Made the right decisions down the stretch, just didn't work out.

So biased

[midnightpulp]

my "spinjob"

you sound like trump defending parker. keep grasping i guess.

Me: Show the breakdown of the plays, which reveal Parker didn't make "bad" decisions.

You: "Porker sucked and heroballed cuz I say so ."

So biased

[gambit1990]

did the grizzles tie the game at the end of regulation with tony on the floor?

or the did the grizzlies tie the game at the end of OT when tony was on the bench the entire time?

[midnightpulp]

did the grizzles tie the game at the end of regulation with tony on the floor?

or the did the grizzlies tie the game at the end of OT when tony was on the bench the entire time?

Did the Spurs beat Utah (better record, better team than Memphis) without Patty and with Tony?

Did the Spurs have a 5 point lead in the 4th until Patty was subbed in?

See, I can cherry pick situations, too.

You really are a massive dumb .

[rasuo214]

If the Spurs are going to make a deep playoff run it'll be because of guys like Patty, Danny, Manu, Pau are making their open 3s. Next best option would be Kawhi and/or LMA dominating. At this point Tony or Manu having a throwback game is basically the miracle/desperation option.

[TheDoctor]

I'll rewatch the sequences. You guys have a habit of thinking every Parker shot down the stretch is "hero ball" even if it was the highest percentage shot the offense as whole created.

"Highest percentage shot" and "Parker" in the same sentence

2013 was 4 years ago homie. The dude is bricking floaters in front of the rim. And then instead of running back to play D, he stares at the iron looking for an answer. "How could the Great Hero have missed that?"

[FkLA]

And the Spurs are going to NEED Tony creating these type of shots down the stretch in the playoffs. It just can't be Kawhi-all-the-time during the last 5 minutes of the 4th. And rewatching the last 5 minutes, Tony gave the ball up pretty much every time down. So he did his "job" more than he didn't do it and only attacked when there was a breakdown. But again, I do not like his fancy spin move, which is really the only bad play he made in the last half of the 4th quarter.

You're a fool if you have no issues with a Matt Barnes level player having the same FGAs as Kawhi down the stretch. I don't care if prime Enrique lived in the paint and was one of the best finishers in the league. Or if you think the Spurs need Rique to be that guy again. That guy is gone, he's not coming back. Those "good" contested shots at the rim haven't been good for him in years. I'll take those ty antiquated midrange jumpers from Kawhi over watching this guy put his hero cape on 10 times out of 10.

Regardless of whether you think his shot selection was good, it's hilarious that you are analyzing the shot selection of a guy who routinely has 0 point games and is pulled at the end of games. He shouldn't be at the forefront, period. It's disturbing that he can't contain his inner hero despite how bad he's been post-ASB. He only had 5 FGAs and was having a well balanced game prior to the last 3:30. Then he decided he was going to be the hero and put the nail in the coffin:

3:29		Wade Baldwin IV shooting foul (Tony Parker draws the foul)	71 - 77
3:29		Tony Parker makes free throw 1 of 2	71 - 78
3:29		Tony Parker misses free throw 2 of 2	71 - 78
			71 - 78
3:00		Tony Parker misses layup	71 - 78
2:48		Tony Parker Out-of-Bounds Bad Pass Turnover	74 - 78
1:39		Tony Parker misses 7-foot two point shot	76 - 78
1:38		Marc Gasol defensive rebound	76 - 78
1:32		Troy Daniels makes 25-foot three point jumper (Wade Baldwin IV assists)	79 - 78

Instead the Spurs lost their lead and the hero was benched in OT. The rest of the team had 1 FGA (Kawhi) and no FTAs during that stretch to squander the lead.

[Mikeanaro]

Just accept the role TPorka.

[gambit1990]

me, talking about the game tonight:

did the grizzles tie the game at the end of regulation with tony on the floor?

or the did the grizzlies tie the game at the end of OT when tony was on the bench the entire time?

you, deflecting:

Did the Spurs beat Utah (better record, better team than Memphis) without Patty and with Tony?

[midnightpulp]

You're a fool if you have no issues with a Matt Barnes level player having the same FGAs as Kawhi down the stretch. I don't care if prime Enrique lived in the paint and was one of the best finishers in the league. Or if you think the Spurs need Rique to be that guy again. That guy is gone, he's not coming back. Those "good" contested shots at the rim haven't been good for him in years. I'll take those ty antiquated midrange jumpers from Kawhi over watching this guy put his hero cape on 10 times out of 10.

Regardless of whether you think his shot selection was good, it's hilarious that you are analyzing the shot selection of a guy who routinely has 0 point games and is pulled at the end of games. He shouldn't be at the forefront, period. It's disturbing that he can't contain his inner hero despite how bad he's been post-ASB. He only had 5 FGAs and was having a well balanced game prior to the last 3:30. Then he decided he was going to be the hero and put the nail in the coffin:

3:29		Wade Baldwin IV shooting foul (Tony Parker draws the foul)	71 - 77
3:29		Tony Parker makes free throw 1 of 2	71 - 78
3:29		Tony Parker misses free throw 2 of 2	71 - 78
			71 - 78
3:00		Tony Parker misses layup	71 - 78
2:48		Tony Parker Out-of-Bounds Bad Pass Turnover	74 - 78
1:39		Tony Parker misses 7-foot two point shot	76 - 78
1:38		Marc Gasol defensive rebound	76 - 78
1:32		Troy Daniels makes 25-foot three point jumper (Wade Baldwin IV assists)	79 - 78

Instead the Spurs lost their lead and the hero was benched in OT.

Your basketball counterarguments are even worse than your baseball counterarguments. I almost don't fell like wasting anymore time on this debate because of how stupidly biased you and the helmets are.

I've shown in my breakdown that he didn't "hero" any of those shots or passes. Everything he did was within the flow of the offense or came as a result of the initial option being taken away. Watch the plays develop instead of simply focusing on whether or not Parker takes a shot. The 7 foot floater his missed came as a result of Kawhi being trapped at the FT line. By the time Parker got the ball, he was far on the weakside and every man was fronted. He just couldn't simply "gib bawl to Kiwi ." The only option on the table was a clear out Parker iso.

"He shoulda gib bawl to Kiwi."

If he dribbles over to Kawhi, he brings his man with him, and Kawhi is instantly doubled. Or if he passes to him from the top of the key, Kawhi gets to take a contested 26 footer. Yeah, great option that is. But I get you Kawhi fanboys want to watch your boy "eat."

I don't give a about him being benched tonight. Patty didn't play the entire game against Utah and the Spurs were fine. Danny Green didn't play tonight. Guess the Spurs are fine. Cherry picking a part of a game or a game doesn't do anything for your argument. Patty is 4-3 when the Spurs start. Bet that's different, though . I can sit here and break down Parker plays all night and over 80% of the time the clips will show him making the right decision. But like I said, Parker is the only player not allowed to make mistakes.

I don't think you understand what heroballing is.

Yeah, and midrange jumpers are . Kawhi was an efficient 3-11 tonight from the Kobe areas. Keep taking them, though They increase dat PPG.

[FkLA]

Your basketball counterarguments are even worse than your baseball counterarguments. I almost don't fell like wasting anymore time on this debate because of how stupidly biased you and the helmets are.

I've shown in my breakdown that he didn't "hero" any of those shots or passes. Everything he did was within the flow of the offense or came as a result of the initial option being taken away. Watch the plays develop instead of simply focusing on whether or not Parker takes a shot. The 7 foot floater his missed came as a result of Kawhi being trapped at the FT line. By the time Parker got the ball, he was far on the weakside and every man was fronted. He just couldn't simply "gib bawl to Kiwi ." The only option on the table was a clear out Parker iso.

"He shoulda gib bawl to Kiwi."

If he dribbles over to Kawhi, he brings his man with him, and Kawhi is instantly doubled. Or if he passes to him from the top of the key, Kawhi gets to take a contested 26 footer. Yeah, great option that is. But I get you Kawhi fanboys want to watch your boy "eat."

I don't give a about him being benched tonight. Patty didn't play the entire game against Utah and the Spurs were fine. Danny Green didn't play tonight. Guess the Spurs are fine. Cherry picking a part of a game or a game doesn't do anything for your argument. Patty is 4-3 when the Spurs start. Bet that's different, though . I can sit here and break down Parker plays all night and over 80% of the time the clips will show him making the right decision. But like I said, Parker is the only player not allowed to make mistakes.

I don't think you understand what heroballing is.

Yeah, and midrange jumpers are . Kawhi was an efficient 3-11 tonight from the Kobe areas. Keep taking them, though They increase dat PPG.

You continue to overlook the fact that you're talking about a guy that routinely puts up 0 point games and that routinely gets benched at the end of games (not just tonight). There is no "right" play for that scrub if it involves him trying to score 1-on-1. There was 20 seconds on the shot clock on the first play, 10 seconds on the second play. Give me something else. Or at the very least attempt to penetrate to get the defense scrambling, not to give yourself an attempt at ending up being the hero.

He had 2 FGAs, 2 FTAs during that stretch. The rest of the team had 1 FGA. You're really going to sit there and act like that's a coincidence? Like that was the team's best option to put them away? He forced the issue for himself, not in the sense that he took absolutely horrible shots, but in the sense that he decided to make himself a protagonist. That's something a low-tier player should never do. In other words he doesn't know his place.

[midnightpulp]

You continue to overlook the fact that you're talking about a guy that routinely puts up 0 point games and that routinely gets benched at the end of games (not just tonight). There is no "right" play for that scrub if it involves him trying to score 1-on-1. There was 20 seconds on the shot clock on the first play, 10 seconds on the second play. Give me something else. Or at the very least attempt to penetrate to get the defense scrambling, not to give yourself an attempt at ending up being the hero.

He had 2 FGAs, 2 FTAs during that stretch. The rest of the team had 1 FGA. You're really going to sit there and act like that's a coincidence? Like that was the team's best option to put them away? He forced the issue for himself, not in the sense that he took absolutely horrible shots, but in the sense that he decided to make himself a protagonist. That's something a low-tier player should never do. In other words he doesn't know his place.

. You're biased.

Maybe the first shot was forced, although I'll take Tony one-on-one on a fast break against William Baldwin IV or whatever the his name was. He erred by trying a spin move.

The 2nd attempt was no "hero." He gave up the ball as soon as he got it to Kawhi who then deferred to Gasol, who actually had an open 3 he probably should've taken. Tony got the ball with 10 left on the clock. He took his man to the top of the key, but NO ONE moved. Kawhi didn't flash over, House stayed parked in the corner. Gasol stayed put along with LMA. A one-on-one with a backup scrub PG was the best option during that sequence.

"But he shoots so bad now in the paint "

You do realize Tony is shooting .568 from 0-3 this year, right? In fact, Tony is shooting from 0-10 feet better than someone like Damian Lillard.

And I find it funny that you criticize Tony's 0 point games. When he has those games, he's doing the exact thing you guys want him to do. Defer, defer, defer. And what's the horse about "routinely" putting up zero point games? He's had one this season. Maybe you're talking about games where he doesn't make a field goal? He's only had 5. And in all games, he took less than 7 shots, doing what you want: deferring. Pick a lane.

I'm on board with the heroball criticism when Tony settles or forces that 18 footer, but I don't see how anyone can complain when he's trying to attack. And this is what's irritating. You guys have such a hate boner for him, you'll nitpick pretty much anything.

I don't like/love Tony as much as I dislike crappy arguments and opinions. When he deserves it, by all means, lay it on. But most of the time your "criticisms" are simply whining about a player you personally don't like.