#freeforbes?

[spursgu]

You know our guard depth is when people are saying Forbes needs minutes against the Dubs.

[ElNono]

Tony was 9-16 for 21 points in Game 1 for a +20 box. Jose Calderon was a huge 3-9 for 7 points.

Game 2: Tony, 10 points 5-10, Calderon 5-10, 12 points. Lost the battle.

Game 3: Tony 19 points on 50%, Calderon 16 points on 70%. Adv: Calderon. Let's not forget the Client had 12 points on 4-14 shooting in a one point loss.

Game 4. Parker was definitely subpar. 10 points on 5-15. No debate here.

Game 5. 23 points on 9-23 shooting. Calderon a big 8 points on 3-9 shooting. Tony won the battle. Let's not forget Vince Carter's 28 points on 10-16 shooting off the bench. Guess who woulda been guarding Carter a lot? Client

Game 6. 22 points on 10-23 shooting with 5TOs. No debate Tony was a detriment that game.

Game 7. Clutch as a mother er.

So no, he didn't "suck" in the first 6 games. Using selective memory to prop up the Client.

I would say Tony had a typical series for a fringe level all-star player, which he was at that point.

So he sucked in Game 2 (at home), Game 4, Game 6 and we're talking ing Calderon. And excuse me, but the basket that put us ahead on that game VC won with a 3? The Client. So yeah, no.

We're talking Tony coming out of a 'MVP' season (2013), right? HOTS? Calderon? really?

Look, I didn't say anything bad about Tony, just that the only reason that series went 7 was because he sucked against ing Calderon. It's annoying people bringing up his Game 7, like he was some sort of savior, when he couldn't outplay easy compe ion in the first 6 games. We're talking Calderon, who's a PG that can't event shoot.

Now, if somebody wants to tell me TP was injured, ok. I can get that. But then, he was pretty good against Portland (until the closeout game).

[ElNono]

I still remember (I should go bump it up), that the consensus after that series is that the Manu/Tiago pick&roll against Dirk and DeJuan Blair's dumbassery won us that series.

You also gotta give Carlisle props, he really tested our team that series.

[Raven]

no, he's terrible defensively.

[BillMc]

We now have 3 rookies who have scored over twenty in a game. That's never happened for the Spurs before. Pop gives you your chances. As Chinook said, Forbes may just have bought himself another NBA season.

[SpursforSix]

Showed them tonight. It is encouraging that even when he hasn't shot well he's had 4/5 assist games. He'll never be even below-average on defense though.

Yeah. And some of those assists were pretty good looks. Not just throwing the ball to a wide open dude. Hope you're wrong about the D but I see it. But there's plenty of PG that suck at D. Unfortunately we have 3 of them.

[ceperez]

[cd021]

(And I'm not defending Patty either on that series, he sucked too).

We don't even get to a game 7 if not for Manu and Tiago carrying us the first 6 games, and DeJuan Blair getting ejected for kicking Tiago.

Tiago was great in that series, also Diaw probably saved our season with that go ahead 3 in game 4 to keep us from going down 3-1

[diego]

Tony was 9-16 for 21 points in Game 1 for a +20 box. Jose Calderon was a huge 3-9 for 7 points.

Game 2: Tony, 10 points 5-10, Calderon 5-10, 12 points. Lost the battle.

Game 3: Tony 19 points on 50%, Calderon 16 points on 70%. Adv: Calderon. Let's not forget the Client had 12 points on 4-14 shooting in a one point loss.

Game 4. Parker was definitely subpar. 10 points on 5-15. No debate here.

Game 5. 23 points on 9-23 shooting. Calderon a big 8 points on 3-9 shooting. Tony won the battle. Let's not forget Vince Carter's 28 points on 10-16 shooting off the bench. Guess who woulda been guarding Carter a lot? Client

Game 6. 22 points on 10-23 shooting with 5TOs. No debate Tony was a detriment that game.

Game 7. Clutch as a mother er.

So no, he didn't "suck" in the first 6 games. Using selective memory to prop up the Client.

I would say Tony had a typical series for a fringe level all-star player, which he was at that point.

Sorry but this post is some bull . You have Calderón vs Parker, then suddenly you stop giving Calderón numbers and deflecting with Manu..

Calderon obviously had good (for him) games in games 4 and 6, but regardless of the stupidity of comparing the two (unless you think theyre in the same tier?), the point with Parker that series was the usual critique of him (only great at scoring) that time it was actually valid because Parker didn't do what he usually does to undermine that critique (take care of the ball). Manu in less minutes had nearly the same total assist and turnovers, had more rebounds, 5x(!) the steals, +20 fta... He also scored 124 to vc's 88 over nearly the same minutes and thoroughly outplayed him overall, Parker with 40 more minutes than Calderón had 2 more assists and three times the turnovers, and that's including the game 7.

Calderón had less of an impact than Parker, but he did outplay him in numerous games despite Parker being a star player on the 1St seed and Calderón being a roleplayer on the 8th. Manu, splitter and diaw saved the Spurs from the worst embarrassment in franchise history. Cherry picking stats from certain games won't change that.

[Down Under]

He could play the Mills role off the bench. Someone is going to throw stupid money at Patty and it's going to be his only career payday.

[midnightpulp]

Sorry but this post is some bull . You have Calderón vs Parker, then suddenly you stop giving Calderón numbers and deflecting with Manu..

Calderon obviously had good (for him) games in games 4 and 6, but regardless of the stupidity of comparing the two (unless you think theyre in the same tier?), the point with Parker that series was the usual critique of him (only great at scoring) that time it was actually valid because Parker didn't do what he usually does to undermine that critique (take care of the ball). Manu in less minutes had nearly the same total assist and turnovers, had more rebounds, 5x(!) the steals, +20 fta... He also scored 124 to vc's 88 over nearly the same minutes and thoroughly outplayed him overall, Parker with 40 more minutes than Calderón had 2 more assists and three times the turnovers, and that's including the game 7.

Calderón had less of an impact than Parker, but he did outplay him in numerous games despite Parker being a star player on the 1St seed and Calderón being a roleplayer on the 8th. Manu, splitter and diaw saved the Spurs from the worst embarrassment in franchise history. Cherry picking stats from certain games won't change that.

There was no point to listing Calderon's stats in game's 4 and 6 because it doesn't matter. Tony was obviously inefficient and didn't take care of the ball. I'm not "crediting" him for those games.

Your also err in reducing the Calderon/Tony matchup to a one-on-one affair. As you said, Calderon was a roleplayer, so he wasn't going to draw any defensive attention nor schemes aside from man coverage. Parker was still the Spurs' best offensive player going into that series and would've faced much tougher team defenses than anything Calderon encountered from the Spurs.

I've joked about the Matt Barnes/Kawhi thing before, but it's the same dynamic. Clippers were focused on Kawhi while the Spurs didn't really give a about Matt Barnes.

"Parker couldn't take of the ball."

You realize Manu had more TOs in the series, right? Oh, but those don't "count" since it's Manu, a top 3 beloved Spur of all-time. Parker also averaged more assists, making his overall AST/TO ratio better.

The lengths Parker haters will go to discredit him

End of the day, no one player for the Spurs in that series was consistent from Game 1 to 7. There were a variety of "culprits" responsible for the games the Spurs lost. It's not all on one player. But as I've said, Parker is the only Spur not allowed to make mistakes.

[midnightpulp]

BTW, here's Manu's combined stats in Games 3 and 6, which were swing/closeout games the Spurs lost by one and two points.

9ppg on 22% shooting, 4.5apg, 2.5TOs.

"Manu saved us that series."



ElNono get in here and this one for the Client.

[TheGreatYacht]

BTW, here's Manu's combined stats in Games 3 and 6, which were swing/closeout games the Spurs lost by one and two points.

9ppg on 22% shooting, 4.5apg, 2.5TOs.

"Manu saved us that series."



ElNono get in here and this one for the Client.

You didn't know? Manure fans change history

[midnightpulp]

You didn't know? Manure fans change history

I love Manu, too, but wow are they biased.

[duncan2k5]

Forbes? You guys MUST be kidding...dude turns down ore shots than a kid's first time at the clinic...no way I'm throwing him in a playoff game over patty based on what they've shown all season

[diego]

There was no point to listing Calderon's stats in game's 4 and 6 because it doesn't matter. Tony was obviously inefficient and didn't take care of the ball. I'm not "crediting" him for those games.

Your also err in reducing the Calderon/Tony matchup to a one-on-one affair. As you said, Calderon was a roleplayer, so he wasn't going to draw any defensive attention nor schemes aside from man coverage. Parker was still the Spurs' best offensive player going into that series and would've faced much tougher team defenses than anything Calderon encountered from the Spurs.

I've joked about the Matt Barnes/Kawhi thing before, but it's the same dynamic. Clippers were focused on Kawhi while the Spurs didn't really give a about Matt Barnes.

"Parker couldn't take of the ball."

You realize Manu had more TOs in the series, right? Oh, but those don't "count" since it's Manu, a top 3 beloved Spur of all-time. Parker also averaged more assists, making his overall AST/TO ratio better.

The lengths Parker haters will go to discredit him

End of the day, no one player for the Spurs in that series was consistent from Game 1 to 7. There were a variety of "culprits" responsible for the games the Spurs lost. It's not all on one player. But as I've said, Parker is the only Spur not allowed to make mistakes.

Of course Manu had more turnovers for the series, low turnovers is not manu's strength it's parkers. The fact that Tony had basically the same assists/turnovers as Manu should tell you that it was a poor series for Parker.

Manu brings other things to the table to make up for the turnovers and bad shooting, like 5x the steals, more rebounds, fta, charges drawn if you want to look them up, etc.

I wish Parker keeps playing till 37, 38, 39 just to see if you guys still want to compare his production to Manu at that age..

[TheGreatYacht]

Of course Manu had more turnovers for the series, low turnovers is not manu's strength it's parkers. The fact that Tony had basically the same assists/turnovers as Manu should tell you that it was a poor series for Parker.

Basically confirming what we knew all along. Parker gets held to a higher standard than Manure. Parker has the superior numbers all time (and it's not close) but Manure gets ranked above because of his heart ..... or in other words, he's Latino like most of you.
Brazil

[spurraider21]

He's been ty all year, has one good game against a non playoff team when were resting half the squad and mid thinks he's earned playoff minutes?

[spurraider21]

The only reason that Mavs series went 7 games is largely because Tony sucked in the first 6 games, tbh... some people need to go back and check out the games instead of boxscore reading... he was getting killed by freaking Calderon...

manu and splitter were the mvp's of that series, though duncan carried gamd 1 and parker killed it in game 7

[Hoops Czar]

Basically confirming what we knew all along. Parker gets held to a higher standard than Manure. Parker has the superior numbers all time (and it's not close) but Manure gets ranked above because of his heart ..... or in other words, he's Latino like most of you.
Brazil

We all know the only real reason that series was close in the first place was because of Mr. finals MVP's disappearing act for the vast majority of the series and Monta Ellis going ham sandwich on Ginobili's/Green's/Leonard's Swiss cheese defense. Who was guarding dat Vince carter buzzer again?

[TheGreatYacht]

We all know the only real reason that series was close in the first place was because of Mr. finals MVP's disappearing act for the vast majority of the series and Monta Ellis going ham sandwich on Ginobili's/Green's/Leonard's Swiss cheese defense. Who was guarding dat Vince carter buzzer again?

holy .......

[Southwest Texas Fan]

He needs to shave the beard.

[ElNono]

manu and splitter were the mvp's of that series, though duncan carried gamd 1 and parker killed it in game 7

Wow, ridiculous Manure fan!

Let me add some emoticons too...

[ElNono]

We all know the only real reason that series was close in the first place was because of Mr. finals MVP's disappearing act for the vast majority of the series and Monta Ellis going ham sandwich on Ginobili's/Green's/Leonard's Swiss cheese defense. Who was guarding dat Vince carter buzzer again?

Who put us up with a clutch basket on the road before that VC3? Let's take a look...



So yeah, Vince hit a of a shot, but let's not pretend Manu wasn't clutch as at like 37 years old...

[ElNono]

Basically confirming what we knew all along. Parker gets held to a higher standard than Manure. Parker has the superior numbers all time (and it's not close) but Manure gets ranked above because of his heart ..... or in other words, he's Latino like most of you.
Brazil

Of course he's held to higher standard at that point in his career. Are you kidding me? Manu was like 37 already back then, and in that series he had to guard athletic freaks like Monta or even a guy like Vince Carter that even today is still schooling guys.

One of our mismatches that series was HOTS vs Calderon, and it didn't happen until Game 7...

I'm going back to what I said originally, that series went 7 because Tony wasn't HOTS until Game 7... that's factually accurate. Mid even put the numbers.