I don't even care how much the dude gets... flying has turned into such a -show, tbh...
between the security lines, the $20 burgers and $8 bottle of water inside the walled gardens in the terminals and the airlines constant nickel and diming, what used to be an enjoyable 2 hour flight is now a cramped-up 5 hour ordeal...
love to see this getting to a boiling point, especially from customers...
The carry-on has become ludicrous.
People head butting their "small" suitcase into a tiny overhead bin. Then can't pry it out and everyone sits waiting.
Or they have 1 bag in front and one in back... I make sure I can get my stuff under the seat in front.
Im quittin work.
Nah.
a restaurant can have the right to refuse service. doesn't mean they can beat and drag a guy out of the restaurant
there's certainly a point to be made that airline contracts are extremely one-sided, tbh... but a case with this kind of notoriety and public outrage, it would be even difficult to come up with a relatively impartial jury, IMO
Can't resist:
I suspect they lost a lot of business with travelers now afraid it can happen to them.
Could you imagine the lawsuit if he had a heart attack?
Difference I see is they were already "boarded."
Southwest is one of the best for true American.
thank you 9/11 for that
Rofl. Yeah you go buy up that United stock
how much do you think he gets from the airlines here.
Put a number on it.
United promised regulators that ticketed passengers are guaranteed seats
Less than three years before a passenger was forcibly removed from one of its aircrafts, United Airlines assured federal regulators that all ticketed passengers are guaranteed seats on flights. The promise was delivered in federal filings reviewed by International Business Times.
“Including advance-seat-assignment charges among the ‘basic ancillary service’ fees that must be disclosed as part of initial fare displays makes no sense,” the airline wrote to the Department of Transportation. “Every ticket, of course, guarantees a passenger a seat on the plane, with no additional mandatory seat-assignment charges."
Later in the filing, United Airlines expanded on its promise to regulators that it guarantees every ticketed passenger a seat.
“Importantly,
every passenger who buys a ticket on a United flight or a flight on any of United’s partners or compe ors in the United States will be assigned a seat at no additional charge
(though in some cases this will still happen at the gate),” the airline wrote.
“Therefore, the rule does not need to prescribe how carriers must disclose charges concerning advance seat assignments because passengers need not purchase this service to receive a seat assignment.”
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/unit...e+Raw+Story%29
Many other countries had their 9/11 and are not near a ty flying experience
This has a lot to do with the economic depression and the airlines suffering like little es and the stockholdres allowing their CeOs to take it out on the customers and the government allowing this
Too big to fail
United Passenger “Removal”: A Reporting and Management Fail
what happened in this case does NOT happen all the time, and that has legal implications.
Lawyer here.
This myth that passengers don’t have rights needs to go away, ASAP. You are dead wrong when saying that United legally kicked him off the plane.
First of all, it’s airline spin to call this an overbooking. The statutory provision granting them the ability to deny boarding is about “OVERSALES”, specifically defines as booking more reserved confirmed seats than there are available.
This is not what happened. They did not overbook the flight; they had a fully booked flight, and not only did everyone already have a reserved confirmed seat, they were all sitting in them.
The law allowing them to denying boarding in the event of an oversale does not apply.
Even if it did apply, the law is unambiguously clear that
airlines have to give preference to everyone with reserved confirmed seats when choosing to involuntarily deny boarding.
They have to always choose the solution that will affect the least amount of reserved confirmed seats. This rule is straightforward, and
United makes very clear in their own contract of carriage that employees of their own or of other carriers may be denied boarding without compensation because they do not have reserved confirmed seats.
On its face, it’s clear that what they did was illegal– they gave preference to their employees over people who had reserved confirmed seats, in violation of 14 CFR 250.2a.
Furthermore, even if you try and twist this into a legal application of 250.2a and say that United had the right to deny him boarding in the event of an overbooking;
they did NOT have the right to kick him off the plane.
Their contract of carriage highlights there is a complete difference in rights after you’ve boarded and sat on the plane,
and Rule 21 goes over the specific scenarios where you could get kicked off. NONE of them apply here. He did absolutely nothing wrong and shouldn’t have been targeted.
He’s going to leave with a hefty settlement after this fiasco.
§ 250.2a Policy regarding denied boarding.
In the event of an oversold flight, every carrier shall ensure that the smallest practicable number of persons holding confirmed reserved space on that flight are denied boarding involuntarily.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/unit...e+Raw+Story%29
But CosmicCowboy said nope.
CosmicParasite has plenty of money he tells us, so that means he's ing fascist, racist, authoritarian, pro-Business-at-all-costs rightwing ASSHOLE
Wew lad. Imagine being such a failure in life that you start viewing anyone with money as "racist," "authoritarian," a "parasite" and an "asshole" by default. You can just see the jealousy seeping from every word.
Well, except for guys like Soros, Steyer, Buffett, Bloomberg, Omidyar and Zuckerberg. Those rich guys are conveniently okay with Bou s.
United is getting "Crushed" in China…So glad that I do not own any airline stocks…
Fear of Flying, for Good Reason
Flying was once an adventure, more than just a way to get from here to there. But over the years, it has become something to dread. You wait in endless lines for the chance to be poked, patted, X-rayed, interrogated, generally insulted and, in the final indignity, separated by class as you, at last, board.
United’s mistreatment of the doctor was extreme, but inconveniencing customers is now standard airline operating procedure. This is an oligopolistic industry that has become increasingly callous toward customers as it rakes in billions in profits thanks to strong demand and low oil prices. In recent years, big airlines have squeezed seats in coach closer together, forcing average-size Americans to become intimately familiar with their knees. In addition to checked-bag fees, which have been standard on many airlines for years, more passengers are being required to pay extra for early boarding, more legroom and, in a recent insult, the right to stash bags in overhead bins.
There is no mystery why air travel has gotten so ugly. Four large airlines — American, Southwest, Delta and United — commanded nearly 69 percent of the domestic air-travel market in 2016, up from about 60 percent in 2012, according to government data. Those numbers actually overstate how much compe ion there is. Many people have only one or two options when they fly because the big airlines have established virtual fortresses at their hub airports. United, American Airlines and three regional airlines affiliated with them served nearly 80 percent of passengers at O’Hare last year.
airline executives know their bottom lines are for the moment secure. It was not surprising that none of the Big Four made a list of the 10 best airlines in the world that TripAdvisor published on Monday based on passenger reviews.
Much of the blame for the increased industry consolidation rests with an rust officials in the Obama and Bush administrations who greenlighted a series of megamergers between airlines like
American and US Airways;
United and Continental; and
Delta and Northwest.
In addition, the Department of Transportation has historically been reluctant to regulate the industries it oversees — an unwillingness that persists in the Trump administration.
Just last month, the secretary of transportation, Elaine Chao, put on hold a much-needed Obama-era proposal to require airlines to more clearly disclose extra fees for things like baggage. She delayed for a year another rule to require companies to disclose information about the mishandling of wheelchairs and motorized scooters for disabled passengers.
As long as the big airlines face neither rigorous compe ion nor a diligent government watchdog, they will be able to treat customers like chattel and get away with it.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/1...od-reason.html
No regulation, no compe ion, quasi-local monopolies, "free market" s customers every time.
If it was never deregulated, air travel would still be a luxury reserved for the ultra-rich and Bou s would be crying about that instead.
Yeah I hate flying too. Especially in coach.
Wut. The ultra rich have their own planes.
Because only rich people fly in regulated countries in Europe and Asia??
pretty much
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