Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[ceperez]

I expect because of his personality.

He left Portland because he was jealous over Lillard. He also refuses to be a center, which is why he nearly signed with a crap PHX team because they signed a washed up Chandler. Also why the Spurs had to grab Pau. But that same personality that refuses to be center is the same personality that makes him too good to work out in the summer and keep the weight off.

The kind of guy to blame others instead of himself and opt out.

PATFO has dug itself in a big hole with two massive contracts for bigs who are too slow for today's game. Spurs blew it big time with Aldridge signing. They invented the beautiful game but regressed while the rest of the league went into the other direction. Spurs discovered the 3-ball to learn how to win against a superior talented team, but now other teams are beating the Spurs with the same game.

[r0drig0lac]

I don't want a big name in return for Aldridge, tbh, not that the Spurs would get one, anyways..I wouldn't expect major value, at this point, his stock is pretty low, especially if he doesn't step up in this series in a relatively favorable matchup..

I wonder if a team with limited assets like the Nets would still value his name..I'd take a RHJ/Levert/Booker package for him, for instance(sounds underwhelming, but I think the Spurs would benefit from just getting rid of him, similar to Jefferson)..

wtf, Nets gm is sean marks, not billy king

[coachmac87]

LMA will be moved in order to get CP3 and other players

[MaNu4Tres]

LMA will be moved in order to get CP3 and other players

Cementing the Spurs into a 2nd round out again.

CP3 is a lazy/not thoroughly thought out addition that won't move the needle if Spurs allocate all of its resources to the PG position. Spurs need so much more than a CP3. And Spurs can't get " other players" if they give CP3 the max, even with LA traded.

If Spurs trade LA, Spurs need cap space, a prospect and I'll take a late 1st at this point. With the cap space I'd use it for other picks, and other young promising two-way players via trade or FA. I wouldn't spend 35 million per for a 32 yr old point guard. Spurs need to start making moves to grow with Kawhi's timeframe.

[Jdspur20]

If Spurs were to trade LMA on draft day, realistically what would be his worth? An 8-10 range pick???

[MaNu4Tres]

If Spurs were to trade LMA on draft day, realistically what would be his worth? An 8-10 range pick???

I'd be content with a top 20 pick, a decent young prospect w/ role player ceiling, and space.

[Jdspur20]

I'd be content with a top 20 pick, a decent young prospect w/ role player ceiling, and space.

At this point I agree. Regardless of what happens in this series.

[coachmac87]

Cementing the Spurs into a 2nd round out again.

CP3 is a lazy/not thoroughly thought out addition that won't move the needle if Spurs allocate all of its resources to the PG position. Spurs need so much more than a CP3. And Spurs can't get " other players" if they give CP3 the max, even with LA traded.

If Spurs trade LA, Spurs need cap space, a prospect and I'll take a late 1st at this point. With the cap space I'd use it for other picks, and other young promising two-way players via trade or FA. I wouldn't spend 35 million per for a 32 yr old point guard. Spurs need to start making moves to grow with Kawhi's timeframe.

Grow withi Kawhi time frame?? You assume he's locked in for the next 5-6 years and the Spurs can just build younger talent around him...

He can be gone in TWO years tops. It's about winning and yeah CP3 isn't ideal for the next 5-6 years like a Murray "plan" would be but getting Paul extends "compe ive culture" a couple years while you're rebuilding or shaping the other half of the roster.

I dunno what's your ideal plan is without going full rebuild mode...I hope it's not giving Hill or Holiday 100M like some have suggested..

And about your LMA return package of WCS, Affalo and 8th pick?? REBUILDING. LOL

[Jdspur20]

Wonder if Portland would be interested in having LMA back. They have 3 draft picks.

[MaNu4Tres]

Grow withi Kawhi time frame?? You assume he's locked in for the next 5-6 years and the Spurs can just build younger talent around him...

He can be gone in TWO years tops. It's about winning and yeah CP3 isn't ideal for the next 5-6 years like a Murray "plan" would be but getting Paul extends "compe ive culture" a couple years while you're rebuilding or shaping the other half of the roster.

I dunno what's your ideal plan is without going full rebuild mode...I hope it's not giving Hill or Holiday 100M like some have suggested..

And about your LMA return package of WCS, Affalo and 8th pick?? REBUILDING. LOL

Kawhi has stated in numerous interviews he wants to retire a Spur, not only that -- but Spurs can offer him more money than any other team when his contract is up. Parts of the new CBA gave players a much bigger incentive to re-sign with their current teams.

And yes, I'd trade LA for WCS, Afflalos unguaranteed contract (Spurs can opt against it before FA -- thus creating space), and the 8th pick.

Sometimes you have to take risks and sacrifice a few regular season wins to have a better future. There's no quick recipe, this isn't NBA2K "coach", even with CP3, that's going to make the Spurs the favorite over W's or Houston. And with a Kawhi led Spurs, Spurs will always be a 50 win team in todays NBA regardless -- he's a top 5 player that plays both ends. Just like Spurs were w/ Duncan when he carried the corpse of Ferry, Porter, David to the WCF. He won't be like Melo's Knicks because Melo is a cancer, a chucker that plays no defense. Spurs will be fine transitioning the next 2 years.

Keep jacking off to CP3 like he's the answer. He's not, and for him to come to SA makes very little sense, but you can't get that through your brain.

[coachmac87]

Kawhi has stated in numerous interviews he wants to retire a Spur, not only that -- but Spurs can offer him more money than any other team when his contract is up. Parts of the new CBA gave players a much bigger incentive to re-sign with their current teams.

And yes, I'd trade LA for WCS, Afflalos unguaranteed contract (Spurs can opt against it before FA -- thus creating space), and the 8th pick.

Sometimes you have to take risks and sacrifice a few regular season wins to have a better future. There's no quick recipe, even with CP3, that's going to make the Spurs the favorite over W's or Houston. And with a Kawhi led Spurs, Spurs will always be a 50 win team in todays NBA regardless -- he's a top 5 player that plays both ends. Just like Spurs were w/ Duncan when he carried the corpse of Ferry, Porter, David to the WCF. He won't be like Melo's Knicks because Melo is a cancer, a chucker that plays no defense. Spurs will be fine transitioning the next 2 years.

Keep jacking off to CP3 like he's the answer. He's not, and for him to come to SA makes very little sense, but you can't get that through your brain.

I'm not jacking anything off...but go ahead and just assume . Players control their destinations in this league especially if you're a top 5 like Kawhi. If he wants out of SA and still wants his mega max he will get it. You're really gonna go off his statements from the past? With your plan this team will get worst and fall behind the balance of the league.

I didn't start this whole CP3 to SA deal..Woj did and it hasn't died tbh..unless you want to believe the verbal agreement story..in which is still odd that so much speculation is going on.

Do you truly believe CP3 won't help this team? What have you been watching tbh? This team needs someone to consistently create offense...controls pace...and defend. Paul controlled one of the most efficient offenses in LAC. The Spurs breathe efficientcy and Paul would make any big that's rolling or popping better AND maybe just possibly get Green in a rhythm.

Bringing CP3 would allow Parker to go to the bench where he belongs and Murray can be the combo guard off the bench who can play Simmons, Manu role..while learning from HOF players.


But hey good luck with your rebuilding plan...and going from a 2 seed to a 7th with Murray/Parker (Guards), WSG and
Afflao getting significant minutes

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm not jacking anything off...but go ahead and just assume . Players control their destinations in this league especially if you're a top 5 like Kawhi. If he wants out of SA and still wants his mega max he will get it. You're really gonna go off his statements from the past? With your plan this team will get worst and fall behind the balance of the league.

That's not how it works. Spurs can offer Kawhi the 5th year with 8% annual raises which equals out to over 50 million overall if he stays vs. goes. But you didn't know that.

But hey good luck with your rebuilding plan...and going from a 2 seed to a 7th with Murray/Parker (Guards), WSG and
Afflao getting significant minutes

You obviously can't read, because I said Afflalo would be waived before FA begins since his deal for next year is a team option -- Spurs would have his space this summer.

Stick to your podcast.

This forum deserves better.

[coachmac87]

That's not how it works. Spurs can offer Kawhi the 5th year with 8% annual raises which equals out to over 50 million overall if he stays vs. goes. But you didn't know that.


You obviously can't read, because I said Afflalo would be waived before FA begins since his deal for next year is a team option -- Spurs would have his space this summer.

Stick to your podcast.

This forum deserves better.

Kawhi can ask for a trade and can dictate wherever he wants..just like LeBron, Curry, etc.

Ok they waive Afflalo your plan still asks the Spurs to rebuild and if you think this year is tough to watch just wait for the following...

I'm assuming you were also against trying to sign KD too??

Like you do realize your plan probably shoots the Spurs possibly from 3rd-4th best team to arguably out of the top 10. Kawhi wants to compete for championships. You're in rebuilding idea doesn't do that bud...If Spurs become average he's gone man..and it's naive of you to think he's gonna retire a Spur

[MaNu4Tres]

Kawhi can ask for a trade and can dictate wherever he wants..just like LeBron, Curry, etc.

Ok they waive Afflalo your plan still asks the Spurs to rebuild and if you think this year is tough to watch just wait for the following...

I'm assuming you were also against trying to sign KD too??

Like you do realize your plan probably shoots the Spurs possibly from 3rd-4th best team to arguably out of the top 10. Kawhi wants to compete for championships. You're in rebuilding idea doesn't do that bud...If Spurs become average he's gone man..and it's naive of you to think he's gonna retire a Spur

Yes, I wanted KD because his age is on the same timeline as Kawhi, and he's a long, versatile, two way wing which is more valuable and scarce commodity.

As for your CP3 crybaby tirade -- Allocating all of your resources to one position, when Spurs have so many damn holes, won't help you compete for a championship either. Especially when that player is 7 years older than Kawhi, and plays in the most saturated position in the NBA. Yes CP3 is great, but his spot a the top w/ Westbrook and Curry won't last much longer and the position is the deepest position in the league.

Spurs can still be a top 5-7 team in the NBA not opting for CP3, promoting Murray, trading LA for assets. And in 2-3 yrs, with the right moves around Kawhi, Murray -- Spurs can be right there again ascending to the top of the league while Warriors are on their descend. Kawhi and CP3 the next 2-3 yrs while signing vet minimum fillers to fill other positions is a terrible plan.

Spurs need to start building a roster around Kawhi that can shoot, that is versatile, long, athletic, and that can defend 1-5 in space. Much like how the Bucks are doing.

[apalisoc_9]

That's not how it works. Spurs can offer Kawhi the 5th year with 8% annual raises which equals out to over 50 million overall if he stays vs. goes. But you didn't know that.





You obviously can't read, because I said Afflalo would be waived before FA begins since his deal for next year is a team option -- Spurs would have his space this summer.

Stick to your podcast.

This forum deserves better.

I've never seen a least knowlegable poster talk like he knows everything as much as the podcast guy

[SpursFan86]

Get. A. ing. Mobile. Big.

I'd almost place as much important on a mobile 4 who can defend the PnR as I would on a quality guard. So tired of running these 2-big lineups that can't defend the PnR for . It's fine in the regular season, but when you're going up against guys like Curry/Durant/Harden/Westbrook/CP3/LeBron in the playoffs, you NEED to be able to defend the PnR well.

[TheGreatYacht]

Celtics are DESPERATE for a power forward and they'll most likely draft a guard at the top of the draft. They're going to need to clear up some minutes for that rookie with IT, Bradley, Smart, Brown taking up that majority of them....

Celtics get:
Lamarcus Aldridge

Spurs get:
Avery Bradley
2017 #37 2nd round pick

Celtics get their PF in return for an expiring contract. Spurs clear $13M off the books and get the perfect player to have next to Kawhi.

[TheGreatYacht]

PJ Tucker and Bogdanovic can get you first round picks in today's NBA. No doubt Danny Green can too. Trade him for the best pick possible and shed that $10M off the books.

[apalisoc_9]

PJ Tucker and Bogdanovic can get you first round picks in today's NBA. No doubt Danny Green can too. Trade him for the best pick possible and shed that $10M off the books.

No one would want Green. Maybe the timberwolves, but its is ty lottery pick.

They can get rid of green and Aldridge for Bledsoe and a mid teen pick though.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Kawhi can ask for a trade and can dictate wherever he wants..just like LeBron, Curry, etc.

Not if he wants the super max he can't be traded for a year.

[MaNu4Tres]

Get. A. ing. Mobile. Big.

I'd almost place as much important on a mobile 4 who can defend the PnR as I would on a quality guard. So tired of running these 2-big lineups that can't defend the PnR for . It's fine in the regular season, but when you're going up against guys like Curry/Durant/Harden/Westbrook/CP3/LeBron in the playoffs, you NEED to be able to defend the PnR well.

Trade Kyle for the 35th pick in the draft.

Jordan Bell and DJ Wilson. I'd love if Spurs could work some magic to get both of them. One at 29, one at 35.

[coachmac87]

Yes, I wanted KD because his age is on the same timeline as Kawhi, and he's a long, versatile, two way wing which is more valuable and scarce commodity.

As for your CP3 crybaby tirade -- Allocating all of your resources to one position, when Spurs have so many damn holes, won't help you compete for a championship either. Especially when that player is 7 years older than Kawhi, and plays in the most saturated position in the NBA. Yes CP3 is great, but his spot a the top w/ Westbrook and Curry won't last much longer and the position is the deepest position in the league.

Spurs can still be a top 5-7 team in the NBA not opting for CP3, promoting Murray, trading LA for assets. And in 2-3 yrs, with the right moves around Kawhi, Murray -- Spurs can be right there again ascending to the top of the league while Warriors are on their descend. Kawhi and CP3 the next 2-3 yrs while signing vet minimum fillers to fill other positions is a terrible plan.

Spurs need to start building a roster around Kawhi that can shoot, that is versatile, long, athletic, and that can defend 1-5 in space. Much like how the Bucks are doing.

Its about capitalizing on Kawhi's prime and Pop window. Say what ya about Pop but players respect him and want to play with him. I'm all for getting younger and longer and athletic..I mean it's the NBA that's what you'd like out of basketball players.

I'm not saying CP3 is ideal or even locks to win championships but the reality is that PATFO are going to kick the tires on CP3 him.

Again if you came up with another plan or solution I'd be interested in going another direction. But trading LMA for 8th pick, WCS and 8th pick plus Afflao cap space isn't gonna cut it tbh. The Spurs wouldn't contend in a prime Kawhi year and will be turning into the Lakers when Shaq-Kobe broke up..

Again sell me on a plan..

I don't find anything wrong for going after a top 5 player at his position...which is a HUGE need...not so much the position but Paul's strengths are the Spurs weaknesses right now. Playmaking. Yeah he's "older" but Spurs aren't asking him to be what he is in LAC.

[coachmac87]

I've never seen a least knowlegable poster talk like he knows everything as much as the podcast guy

Maybe you should make a thread about it

[MaNu4Tres]

Its about capitalizing on Kawhi's prime and Pop window. Say what ya about Pop but players respect him and want to play with him. I'm all for getting younger and longer and athletic..I mean it's the NBA that's what you'd like out of basketball players.

I'm not saying CP3 is ideal or even locks to win championships but the reality is that PATFO are going to kick the tires on CP3 him.

Again if you came up with another plan or solution I'd be interested in going another direction. But trading LMA for 8th pick, WCS and 8th pick plus Afflao cap space isn't gonna cut it tbh. The Spurs wouldn't contend in a prime Kawhi year and will be turning into the Lakers when Shaq-Kobe broke up..

Again sell me on a plan..

I don't find anything wrong for going after a top 5 player at his position...which is a HUGE need...not so much the position but Paul's strengths are the Spurs weaknesses right now. Playmaking. Yeah he's "older" but Spurs aren't asking him to be what he is in LAC.

Kawhi's prime is going to be a lot longer than the next 2-3 years. His game should age really well as his elite length and elite work ethic overlap his average athletic ability. His game doesn't rely on athletic ability. which is huge. His length, hard work and IQ will always be elite.. that should keep his prime window open for another 10 years.

I can't predict the future. All I'm saying is I'd start moving pieces around to get athletic, long, two way players, that are not liabilities defensively 1-5. Spurs have their PG of the future w/ Murray that checks those boxes. They have Green for another 2 years.

I wouldn't even mind it if Spurs did trade LA to PHX, Bledsoe to SAC, WCS, 12 million in space ( Afflalo) and the 8th pick to SA. Use that 8th pick on the best player available or if Spurs don't see the value in the 8th pick, trade the 8th for a 1st next year + a player like Wilson Chandler or a younger two way player w/ similar skill set and size.

Pray to god Gasol opts out and use the remaining space to go after Nerlens Noel.

Use the 29th pick on DJ Wilson or Jordan Bell.

Trade Kyle for the 35th pick and use that pick on Wesley Iwundu or Josh Hart.

There's so many small moves that can be made that can expedite the path this team needs to take in order to contend 2-3 years down the line and Kawhi's huge window allows for some patience in the next 1-2 years. There's no reason to be in panic mode and imply CP3 is the only answer for this franchise to keep Kawhi or is the only answer to ever contend again w/ Kawhi.

Your takes and your way of thinking I simply don't agree with.

[SpursBig3s]

Rockets are another two way wing away .. one with length. Spurs are so much further behind.

Ehh... are they? Nene was pretty awful all year, he's just having a reincarnation in the playoffs that probably won't happen again next year. And Ryan Anderson is essentially unplayable if he's not hitting his 3s. He is pretty awful on defense