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This pretty much seals Patty won't be going anywhere, tbh.
After further thought... if TP is out majority of next year.
This is what I'd prefer.
If Mills commands 12-16 mil per for next 3-4 years. I shake his hand, tell him thank you, give him a hug and say my good byes.
A big part of is how high Spurs are on Murray. Which I think they are very high on him. Spurs need to throw him in the fire, the quicker they do it, the better off the Spurs will be in the long run.
Instead of investing 50 million to Patty, I'd turn my focus on Shelvin Mack. And try to get him on a 1+1 deal or a 2+1 deal for much cheaper.
Murray, Mack, vet min., Forbes
Is this a move that I think takes the Spurs over the Warriors?.. of course not.
This is a move that can maintain the 50 win season streak, help develop the best prospect the Spurs currently have, and it conserves the resources for the summer of 18'. Even with Tony out, I still think it would be a mistake to pay Patty that much money for that long.
Of course there's so many other components to take into account before making end all decisions, such as the situations with Aldridge and Pau.
This pretty much seals Patty won't be going anywhere, tbh.
Anybody missing Lapro now?
I agree with you on all counts except the Mack signing. I would rather get an Euro prospect that can at least shoot. Here in Argieland there have been rumours about Facundo Campazzo joining the NBA next season, if he adapts to the NBA he is significantly more talented than Shelvin Mack.
Waaaay more talented than Laprovittola, tbh. Although there will always be questions regsrding his height. He's on the Isahia Thomas, JJ Barea range.
Yeah, I meant he missed the playoffs bc of that dunk in like the last week of the season in a meaningless game.
I really love Jordan.. tbh.. What did you think overall?I'm just watching Jordan Bell Highlights right now. I'll probably get fired for posting on Spurstalk all day on my phone...
but I know Manu4tres is a huge fan.
Seems like a Draymond Green Kinda player.
I think DJ Wilson has a higher ceiling based on length and his expanded offensive skillset.
The trouble with trying to assess ceiling is we don't know their mindset, work ethic, how bad they want to be great, ect. They could have the best skillset for the modern NBA, but if their mind ain't right they won't amount to anything great. That plays a huge huge part of how far they actually develop.
From what we can see, I really like both a lot though. Spurs should be able to get one or the other at 29, but I'd try to trade down to Orlando for their 33rd and 35th and try to scoop both..
Yeah, I'm not too much of a fan of Campazzo, I don't think he's as quick as Barea or Thomas, but he's around the same size. I think Mack has a very solid overall game .. in the mold of prime Jacque Vaughn but better, more solid and he has size for a PG.
Spurs just need very solid play to help Murray out for next year or two. I'd prefer going the value route with Mack or Collison than pay Patty 4/50-60.
KL and Melo on the same team....I smell Championship......
no. He's averaging 4 points on 33FG% in Europe. Scrubby ass player didn't belong anywhere near a summer league roster, much less NBA roster
I've watched as many clips at the college level as I could. I like Bell more. I am troubled by that clip of him ignoring box outs on free throws at the end games though. But I like his game more so far.
I like Ojedeye except for his defense. Basically a 22 year old Faried with range and similar bad defense. Or maybe more like Blair with Muscle Milk instead of Whataburger shakes.
The question is does Paul really want to play for the Spurs?
That's part of the reason why I strongly believe in trading down if you're picks are in the low 20s (21, 22 etc). Trade it to a team with Multiple picks in the second round. As proven in like forever, the skillsets and talent offered in those picks are very similar and it would be better to try out a couple guys than one. Exactly how many players in the 20s have turn out to be good players? How many in the 30-60? Mark?
When it comes to late 20s to 40s pick..Imo, it becomes more about quan y than quality because frankly Quality wise, they're all pretty darn close.
I only watched highlights of DJ Wilson. I really can't tell anything from it other than state the obvious. He's a big with good mobility and good shooting. But I didn't see any skills that makes me believe he can develop to become elite in the NBA. We already have Bertans. They're different players but the Spurs utilizes him more as a PF so i doubt this wilson dude gets drafted. Doesn't look like he has a decent roll game though. Really the only offense you need from a modern center is the Roll..seems like Jordan is better at rolling to the basket with superior aearial gravity.
I like Jordan Bell though. He's got Skills that can prove to be Elite in Today's modern day NBA. Big that can stay with Guards and be a shot blocking threat. Little Guys are scared of big players that can chase them and block their shots.
I only watched his game in Kansas but his rim protection is good and he's a gopd help defender.
What I really want to know from him though...Can he improve his feel of the game? Can he dish out in rolls? Is he a willing passer in rolls? He seems like a guy that will have aearial gravity and will finish strong so there should be enough space for the corner three..
Honestly though, my opinion is very limited. Hard to make conclusions on one game sample.
I just want the spurs to try to get three rookies next year with One of them hopefully contributing. A rookie is never always a liability..Kawhi Leonard was am awesome rookie.
As for at ude Part, another reason why Quan y approach is better. You never know whose lying in interview. But at least the spurs seems like an organization that have enough insider info to know who has good character or not.
Anybody bummed we didn't dump Anthony and sign Calderon?
I think the real question will be whether the Clips want to pay Paul the supermax. If that is the Clips' offer, he stays.
I like Ojedeye too a little bit. I'm worried about his defense, size and length. I think the lack of those two aspects hurts his overall ceiling defensively.
Two guys I discuss ball with on twitter that scout college more than anyone I know are down on Ojedeye, and very high on Bell. Bell is projected to go early 40's in DE's mock but they think he's very deserving for 29 more so than any big in that range. I try to watch as much tape as I can around this time and from everything I've seen and read... Bell is my number 1 guy.
It would be great if Spurs can trade down to ORL at 33 and 35 for the 29th and grab Bell and another guy like DJ Wilson ( as I've said 32 times today).
Bell has the length and mobility to be a work horse defensively. The thought of the potential defense with lineups featuring him, Kawhi and Murray down the line for the next 5-10 years is pretty nice ( obvious more pieces would be included but you get the point). Having him come into a program and system like the Spurs would increase the probability for him to make the most out of his career. Especially watching Kawhi go to work on a daily, yearly basis.
He would need to develop some skills, and awareness offensively in pick and rolls -- catching the pocket pass early around the free throw line and making decisive plays. But I think that can be developed with coaching and a Kawhi-like work ethic. What you can't couch is his effectiveness defensively due to his size, length, and mobility. It's imperative for bigs in todays NBA to be able to defend in space. However, all of this assessment could be irrelevant if he has a Drew Gooden type of brain, or poor work ethic. That's where the Spurs' research comes into play that we don't have.
It's crazy, in the 90's value with bigs was tied to post play. Now that's the last thing teams should look for. Value with bigs today is tied to being able to defend the PnR in the interior and perimeter in space. Also, being able to roll effectively, make smart reads, and finish efficiently.
It's crazy to think a Capela has more effective and valuable skillset than Aldridge.. but that's what the game today has turned into.
Yeah, I'd be happy with Bell at 29.
If he can be a Richaun Holmes type, that's useful.
I'd probably want him over Wilson, and both over Ojedeye.
Don't want any part of Swanigan.
That guy was a long-armed, high IQ 6'5" PG who was also the ACC Player of the Year, ACC Defensive Player of the Year, first-team All-American, among other accolades. Selecting him was a no-brainer.
Swanigan is trash. Mo Speights is his ceiling. Jackie Butler is his floor.
this is popovich and the front office fault. You know that we have these old players and you're not constantly developing younger talent while throwing them into the mix. We all know like this can happen, but the only one unaware of this was popovich. For years we've been asking up here, "what about the pg situation for the future?".
this is why you scout throughout the year and don't just follow what ESPN reports. There are hundreds of colleges in amerikka. Only a fool would think there are no point guards out there.
Thought so. Thanks
Still don`t think there is better PG available at 29th this year, who is better than Murray and even Forbes being that one year pro.
Paul should be set for a few lifetimes on his endorsements alone. Time for him to play with whoever wants to win!
And Paul will miss or get hurt in the POs next year too. He's fragile.
Most of these guys should be set for life. If it was 10 million, maybe he goes to a winning team. But giving up 50 million to go to a team that would still be behind GSW? I just don't see it.
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