come on D
damn, thanks for the solid take brotha
Prime Tony is a HOFer.
I'd take IT now though, could use his scoring. + he can get the ball up the floor without dribbling.
I'd take Isaiah. He has a penchant for out playing everyone in the 4th, where Tony usually had to get carried by another hall of gamer, and the spurs fell apart the one year he was the closer on a true contender.
Thomas is the better shooter and passer. Tony was an amazing finisher though, ill give him that.
Isaiah is like the worse defender in the NBA period, but Parker has never been all world defense and was often who coaches game planned against so thats really a wash.
Thomas just has a better clutch gene.is a better sg too, which is what tp is. I'd take Thomas if its a one year prime thing. Career, maybe Tony.
Prime Parker.
Least
Thomas can shoot and penetrate, play team ball without the hero bull
Pretty poorly phrased question, but appears that it has been clarified to Today's IT vs. Prime Parker.
I'd take Prime Parker, with the way the league has gone over the last few years, where the lane is opened and interior defense is pretty much barred, Parker would average even more insane numbers (in the 30ppg area with a good number of assists), especially if he is on a team that would allow him to chuck like Boston with IT.
People just don't remember how good Parker was in the early 10's. Didn't win anything, but an argument could be made that he was the Spurs best player from 11 t0 13.
2012-2013
2011 was mamus year
A prime Tony Parker with his speed would destroy today's NBA with all the spacing modern offenses create. He would be unguardable in a pick-n-roll. I don't care who you switch on him. He's taking anyone off the dribble. Parker was the most dangerous penetrator in the league during the NBA's "Grit-and-Grind" era, where teams would routinely pack the paint and gum the game up. Now imagine that Tony having space and defenders like Joe Ingels switched on him
Again, I don't know why people are so impressed with all these midget guards dropping 30-40 points? BJ Armstrong Jr is a Bobby Jackson-level player in the mid-00s. Most of these modern guards need space and crossmatches to do damage. Parker didn't.
Why are we pretending like Parker's prime was in a different era?
He was in one of the premier pace n space offenses of this decade, and we saw what he did as a number one option. 20 ppg, 7 apg. Not bad at all, but not exactly IT numbers. It's not a knock on Parker, more a testament to IT, but I see there's an agenda here so i'll let yall cook.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._id4=parketo01
Why are we pretending like Parker's prime was in a different era?
He was in one of the premier pace n space offenses of this decade, and we saw what he did as a number one option. 20 ppg, 7 apg. Not bad at all, but not exactly IT numbers. It's not a knock on Parker, more a testament to IT, but I see there's an agenda here so i'll let yall cook.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._id4=parketo01
2013 is nothing like 2017.
Average number of 3 point attempts per team in 2013: 20
Average number today: 27
And there's much more emphasis on the use of the pick-and-roll as the main offensive catalyst today than there was then, which translate into the game being more point-guard centric than ever before. Run pick-and-roll, get a crossmatch with Joe Ingels, score.
Parker was carving up defenders like Gary Payton in an era (mid-00s) when the game was much more congested.
Furthermore, I don't understand how NBA fans cannot see the 3 point line as a broken pile of ? No other sport is going to give you 50% more points for a score that's just a bit further out than a regular scoring opportunity. Football gives you 6 points if you score from the 1 yard line or the 50. Hockey: 1 goal from in front of the net or beyond the blue line. Soccer: Ditto.
I've said before, I finally understand why the NBA first thought the 3 point line as a silly gimmick from that "circus" league the ABA.
Something that is worth 50% more points should be "hard." I think Cleveland was 14-21 from 3 at one point the other night. Ludicrous.
C'mon..it's TP and its not even close.
Top 10 PG of all Time.
I doubt Thomas even sniffs top 30 all time.
Mid's axiom: When evaluating a player, ask yourself how they would perform without the 3 point line.
Parker broke down defenses by himself, off the dribble, during a time when Bruce Bowen was the only shooter on the court
Thomas needs shooters to create space.
Even in the peach basket days people could dunk the ball if they wanted to. They could lay the ball off the backboard. They could take short shots. No one was taking 25 foot shoots routinely. Having a 3pt line gets people involved in the game that otherwise would just be placeholders for the ball. Steph Curry would never be effective if he had to rely on getting to the rim on every trip. You'd need bigs for that. That clogs the lanes and makes the game nothing more than dumping to the big, ala Kareem sky hook and Shaq dunk and constant layups by bigs. Now the big is almost removed from the game other than the rim protection, but much of that is needed on the break and bigs rarely transition fast enough to be effective there.Mid's axiom: When evaluating a player, ask yourself how they would perform without the 3 point line.
Parker broke down defenses by himself, off the dribble, during a time when Bruce Bowen was the only shooter on the court
Thomas needs shooters to create space.
It's still a game. There's no pure way to do it, just an entertaining way. There's a lot more skill involved now than then. It's not football. It's more like darts. Why give more points for hitting any specific spot on a dart board? People are going to just go for that triple almost every time.
Entire washington team running a train on him in the post
3pt bricked shots = long rebounds. Even lesser reason big men are needed. Your PGs can grab the rebounds on missed shots.
Todays NBA
WTF. I love prime Tony but he's not top 10.
Clear troll bait. Something about yesterday's NBA players suck and Stockton is worse than patty mills because he's a white American player type of crap. Or oscar can only dribble with his right hand or kids is basically Michael carter Williams.
Didn't TP finish 2nd in MVP voting in 2013? I'll take the proven player over the midget who plays in the East with defense that rivals harden's tbh
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ards_2013.html
ouch
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ards_2013.html
80s Isiah today > parkers prime
he was in top 3 but then missed a stretch of games due to injury which cost him iirc
Spurs were consistently in the top 10 in 3pta from 2011-2013. They were a premier three point shooting team will Danny green, mills, diaw, marco, Manu, kawhi, gary neal, stephen jackson, etc
2013 is nothing like 2017.
Average number of 3 point attempts per team in 2013: 20
Average number today: 27
Revisionist history. Tony used the PnR every time down the floor or was off ball running through screens. Sure he could take guys 1-on-1, but it was far from his go to.And there's much more emphasis on the use of the pick-and-roll as the main offensive catalyst today than there was then, which translate into the game being more point-guard centric than ever before. Run pick-and-roll, get a crossmatch with Joe Ingels, score.
Parker was carving up defenders like Gary Payton in an era (mid-00s) when the game was much more congested.
I think we'll see the three point line get stretched out as the we get more and more shooters coming into the league. Right now, there's still a lot of teams chock full of guys who can't shoot. A lot of the good shooters are only on a handful of teams (Cavs/Dubs/Rockets).Furthermore, I don't understand how NBA fans cannot see the 3 point line as a broken pile of ? No other sport is going to give you 50% more points for a score that's just a bit further out than a regular scoring opportunity. Football gives you 6 points if you score from the 1 yard line or the 50. Hockey: 1 goal from in front of the net or beyond the blue line. Soccer: Ditto.
I've said before, I finally understand why the NBA first thought the 3 point line as a silly gimmick from that "circus" league the ABA.
Something that is worth 50% more points should be "hard." I think Cleveland was 14-21 from 3 at one point the other night. Ludicrous.
Easily op 10 because of career accomplishments and longevity, but his peak wasn't top 10 imo
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