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don't really see Lebron as part of the group that we consider post-MJ era
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Most people believe that this honor goes to LeBron because of all of his MVPs, getting to the finals 6 straight years, and last year bringing a championship to the city of Cleveland for the first time in 52 years. I still say it's TD......he got his 5 rings in a much tougher Western Conference, facing some of the deepest and most balanced teams in history and destroyed opponents at his position. If not for me being at work right now I would come up with more reasons.
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don't really see Lebron as part of the group that we consider post-MJ era
Fair enough.
lebrons a better player than duncan... but no player did more for a franchise than duncan did for the spurs
LeBron is lucky to be a steroid colluding got.
I think when it's all said and done the "era's" will be set by decades IMO.
99'-09' Duncan/Kobe/Shaq Era
Say what you want but each of those players dominated during that time frame. Honestly you have to include all 3 because they all went hand in hand each were in their primes at one point..
10'-Current
LeBron James Era
His legacy is being written as we speak and tbh THIS year is the biggest chapter yet...if he beats GSW he'd be the GOAT. Warriors could really things up though if they pull a three peat or win b2b
I'm sure I'll get a ton of for saying this here, but LeBron has pretty much locked himself in as at least the 2nd best player of all-time by this point (assuming he doesn't suffer some career-ending injury his next game or something).
Looking at LeBron's 10-year span from '08-now is just absurd...
RS: 27.3 ppg (60.3 TS%), 7.5 rpg, 7.3 rpg, 1.6 spg, 0.8 bpg, 3.5 TO, 29.2 PER, .266 WS/48, 10.2 BPM
PS: 28.4 ppg (57.9 TS%), 9 rpg, 6.7 apg, 1.8 spg, 1 bpg, 3.5 TO, 28.7 PER, .254 WS/48, 11.3 BPM
As of now, Duncan has still had a better career than LeBron. But LeBron is the better player, and will almost certainly have the better career when it's all said and done too.
Yes, Duncan is 2-1 against Lebron in the finals, and it should be 3-0 without the ery.
Assuming current trajectory, LBJ is will on his way to a no worse than #2 finish on the goat list. Personally, I would much rather have him sitting at the top than DK.
But then again, I'd find a way to be ok with LBJ getting klawblocked on his rise to #1, tbh.
Not taking anything away from LeBron, but yes. It's always hard to compare players who do it different ways, so there always be arguments that can't be won. But if I was going to get one prime-age player to build a franchise around, and the goal was winning and not selling tickets? It's the Big Fundamental. LeBron can take over a game, but Tim was an anchor for a whole team.
I love Duncan, but he simply didn't score enough to be considered GOAT. Stats matter.
19-11-3 with 5 rings is amazing, but if Lebron were a Spur and Duncan were in the East, everyone here would scoff at the notion of 19-11-3 > 27-7-7.
Nah, it's LeBron; , when its all said and done it'll prolly be LeBron at the top of the NBA mountain. Duncan is second though, and a Top 5 all-time player.
Colluding cuck did it twice. He's legacy would be if he was still a cavalier with zero ing rings.
Lebron has been the best player in the league since he entered the league.
Good post!!
I see a lot of "spurs fans" saying LeBron but only 2 votes against TD in the Poll, wtf?
Scared playas
What, Kobe?
Lebron averaged over 20pts a game in his rookie year. Same year Tim averaged 22 and Kobe 24. Lebron would go on to carry his team to the Finals while Kobe was crying to SAS and losing in the 1st round to the Suns with a better team than Lebron had. Tim's averages dropped each of the following 3 years. Tim rang in 2005 and 2007 but wasn't at Lebron's level either time. In fact, it's argued here and elsewhere that Manu should have won the Finals MVP in 2005 and Tony did win it in 2007. Tim was great, but he was actually on his way down from his incredibly high peak. He had a long, flat, high performance level until just a few years ago but Lebron has remained consistent or improved.
If Lebron wasn't better than Tim or Kobe when he entered the league, then Mike Brown must have taught him the game of basketball because everyone seems to rate Lebron higher now, even though Tim has 5 rings and 3 Finals MVPs. So did the awards make Lebron better or did Lebron win the awards because he was better?
TD is my favorite player ever ... I am biased
I think of things in decades:
pre-70: Bill Russell
70's: Kareem
80's: Magic/Bird
90's: MJ
2000's: Timmy
2010's: Lebron
MJ overlapped with Bird/Magic in a very similar way to Lebron with Kobe/Timmy.
Championships still matter most to me. Consistency too. And everybody knows how much the leastern conference is worth.
What? Am I misinterpreting your post, or are you trying to say LeBron was the best player in the league even in his first few seasons? There's no questioning that LeBron improved dramatically from '04 to '08. He came into the league as an 18-year old...of course he ing improved
I can see the argument for LeBron pretty much being the best player in the league since the '07-08 season. No way in was he the best player from '04-07 though. You think rookie LeBron was better than KG in '04?
It's Tim Duncan! Tim Duncan is the GOAT! Lebron has had a cakewalk to the Finals because the Eastern Conference is weak! Tim Duncan's has fought wars to win his Championships, teams in the West are tough and it was a battle to just get to the Finals!
Lebron is better.
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