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    I know the tread is a joke but.... Honestly offer Manu either 1.4 million and a roster spot or retirement. I don't think he is done, but he is also not an impact player anymore save in terms of leadership on a day to day basis.

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    I'm not a LMA fan, but I have to say that in the last games he's trying to do his best and growing up his winning mentality...I really like that.
    Actually, he's the best (playing, see Deadmon) play off big we have on the court...considering that Gasol plays defense only sporadically.
    One thing is for sure: as currently builded, the team has them both like starters...but Pop has realized that play them together is difficult not only with the small ball teams (that can exploit their weaknesses with pick and roll strategy) but also with the remaining "two bigs" team (se what happened with Memphis).
    As I wrote at the begining of the season, the real strenght of this team was to have a very big amount of playable players...in fact quite everybody has had a role during the regular season, and our record is the evidence that everybody has given his brick for building the wall of our very good regular season.
    Well, as for now, the same is happening in the play offs.
    So, speaking of what to do next season our main questions are about what to do with LMA, Mills, Simmons, Manu, Deadmon and the "youth movement"...
    See before my opinion on LMA.
    Simmons is playing well this series. But was one of the worst players in regular season and has not shined against Memphis.
    Mills is playing well but it's obvious that he does not have the ball handling and passing ability to play a play maker role or a point guard role...and needs a passing guard next to him. However, he's definitely a reliable weapon at a le level in a role like shooting guard for instant offense.
    Manu has been a God this last game, but he can't be considered our star of the future...if not from the bench (like assistent coach) tahnks to his charisma and knowledge of the team.
    The youth movement (Murray, Bertans, K. Anderson, Forbes, possibly Deadmon) has quality but needs time and playing chances to develop adequately.

    So, in conclusion:

    1) I would not trade LMA if not for a piece (or a draft choice) that could be considered from day one an important part of our future (i mean a Paul George tipe or a 1-5 draft choice);
    2)I would try to stay with most of the same group.
    Parker, Green, Leonard, LMA, KA, Bertans, Murray are under contract; In the Parker case, it's to be evelued if he can can back next season...and in case of negative answer, if we can have an exception for signing a veteran play maker (my favourite name would be Livingston); Pau has a player option and is probably going to opt in. Lee and Deadmon have player options...considering their limited (Lee) or very limited (Deadmon) play off role, is clear they don't rapresent, yill this very moment, a play off strenght if not for the chance of using them as role players when the right moment came...so I will try to convince them to exercise their option at the current price if they liked to stay in a winning environment (with the chance for Deadon to have a big payday in case he develops on offense next year).
    As for the other 5 players, I'll try to offer a decent contract to two of them (Mills and Simmons) considering they've been tested with positive results in play off cir stances...but not a break the bank contract (I mean a 7/10 million contract to Mills; a 3/5 million contract to Simmons. Just to clarify, i think the limit for Mills could be a 6th man of the year award more than a starting play making role in any nba team).
    For Manu, I'll try to convince him to take a one/two year minimum contract in perspective to be assistent coach next year or the year after.
    For Forbes, I would exercise the team option.
    For Anthony, his place is gonna be taken from our draft choice.

    Obviously, this strategy means that that the best way to win next season, imho, is staying pat and develop our young players...I see star potential in Murray, and good potential (from starters to at least 7/8 man) in both three of KA, Bertans, Simmons (I was extremely skeptical on Simmons, before his play offs performances against Houston).
    I see a big potential in Deadmon too, if he accepts another learning year.
    For Forbes, I really think he just needs playing time and confidence; his main (maybe only, not he has shown flashes of a player better than Mills as a play maker) skill is nowadays the more appreciated as a nba playing style. And his mechanic is very, very good.

    So this is my thoughts...but they can change by the moment for any reason (injuries, player's decisions, anavoidable market opportunities...and, obviously, listen or read a better wiew than the one I have written above).

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    Simmons will probably be expecting max money after his game 5 performance. Spurs might lose him if they don't pony up.
    Ugh. I was hoping for $3 years, $25 million but he's probably going to get north of $10 million after this series. I highly doubt he'd get max, whatever that is for his situation. 3 years, $30 million would probably be fine anything more would be an overpay in my opinion.

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    It doesn't matter what we offer Manu In the off-season it wont hurt us in signing free agents. Just like his 14mil this year didn't hurt us as far as signing people. The money we give him at this point is all loyalty money

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    To me if Manu wants to continue is a no-brainer for the Spurs he will probably sign for vet min or something like that to make room for other players. I have to say though that the Spurs need another big FA player to somewhat complete this roster, whether it's Chris Paul (now with Parker's injury) or someone else. There's always been some kind of a rule that you need at least 3 top players to really compete in the playoffs and the Spurs had 3 (Parker, Manu, and KL) until Parker went down and despite their age.

    The Spurs have no one to replace Manu regardless of his overall contribution - we can discuss this point to death but he shows up when he's most needed so there's value in there. It shouldn't matter if he plays like during regular season because that's covered with other players.

    The big ??? continues to be LMA's production and lack of confidence to own the paint for a guy his skills, talent, and size - I don't think people realistically ever dreamed that he would replace Tim because that's absolutely impossible but I'm certain no one was expecting he would be this soft. If LMA can somehow find his other nut then the Spurs could be something else.

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    It doesn't matter what we offer Manu In the off-season it wont hurt us in signing free agents. Just like his 14mil this year didn't hurt us as far as signing people. The money we give him at this point is all loyalty money
    That will actually hurt us this off season, because his cap hold will be high. And if we renounce him, we then have to use cap space? Can someone clarify this?

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    Jokes apart i would.

    .keep LA unless a no brainer trade is offered
    .shop Gasol expiring if he opts in
    .trade Parker contract if he won't be able to play next year (then resign him back the next season)
    .shop Anderson, he had not been worth it and his style is difficult to adapt.
    .i would target a serviceable pg with the trades or another big.
    .use free space to bring mills and Simmons back

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    I'm not a LMA fan, but I have to say that in the last games he's trying to do his best and growing up his winning mentality...I really like that.
    Actually, he's the best (playing, see Deadmon) play off big we have on the court...considering that Gasol plays defense only sporadically.
    One thing is for sure: as currently builded, the team has them both like starters...but Pop has realized that play them together is difficult not only with the small ball teams (that can exploit their weaknesses with pick and roll strategy) but also with the remaining "two bigs" team (se what happened with Memphis).
    As I wrote at the begining of the season, the real strenght of this team was to have a very big amount of playable players...in fact quite everybody has had a role during the regular season, and our record is the evidence that everybody has given his brick for building the wall of our very good regular season.
    Well, as for now, the same is happening in the play offs.
    So, speaking of what to do next season our main questions are about what to do with LMA, Mills, Simmons, Manu, Deadmon and the "youth movement"...
    See before my opinion on LMA.
    Simmons is playing well this series. But was one of the worst players in regular season and has not shined against Memphis.
    Mills is playing well but it's obvious that he does not have the ball handling and passing ability to play a play maker role or a point guard role...and needs a passing guard next to him. However, he's definitely a reliable weapon at a le level in a role like shooting guard for instant offense.
    Manu has been a God this last game, but he can't be considered our star of the future...if not from the bench (like assistent coach) tahnks to his charisma and knowledge of the team.
    The youth movement (Murray, Bertans, K. Anderson, Forbes, possibly Deadmon) has quality but needs time and playing chances to develop adequately.

    So, in conclusion:

    1) I would not trade LMA if not for a piece (or a draft choice) that could be considered from day one an important part of our future (i mean a Paul George tipe or a 1-5 draft choice);
    2)I would try to stay with most of the same group.
    Parker, Green, Leonard, LMA, KA, Bertans, Murray are under contract; In the Parker case, it's to be evelued if he can can back next season...and in case of negative answer, if we can have an exception for signing a veteran play maker (my favourite name would be Livingston); Pau has a player option and is probably going to opt in. Lee and Deadmon have player options...considering their limited (Lee) or very limited (Deadmon) play off role, is clear they don't rapresent, yill this very moment, a play off strenght if not for the chance of using them as role players when the right moment came...so I will try to convince them to exercise their option at the current price if they liked to stay in a winning environment (with the chance for Deadon to have a big payday in case he develops on offense next year).
    As for the other 5 players, I'll try to offer a decent contract to two of them (Mills and Simmons) considering they've been tested with positive results in play off cir stances...but not a break the bank contract (I mean a 7/10 million contract to Mills; a 3/5 million contract to Simmons. Just to clarify, i think the limit for Mills could be a 6th man of the year award more than a starting play making role in any nba team).
    For Manu, I'll try to convince him to take a one/two year minimum contract in perspective to be assistent coach next year or the year after.
    For Forbes, I would exercise the team option.
    For Anthony, his place is gonna be taken from our draft choice.

    Obviously, this strategy means that that the best way to win next season, imho, is staying pat and develop our young players...I see star potential in Murray, and good potential (from starters to at least 7/8 man) in both three of KA, Bertans, Simmons (I was extremely skeptical on Simmons, before his play offs performances against Houston).
    I see a big potential in Deadmon too, if he accepts another learning year.
    For Forbes, I really think he just needs playing time and confidence; his main (maybe only, not he has shown flashes of a player better than Mills as a play maker) skill is nowadays the more appreciated as a nba playing style. And his mechanic is very, very good.

    So this is my thoughts...but they can change by the moment for any reason (injuries, player's decisions, anavoidable market opportunities...and, obviously, listen or read a better wiew than the one I have written above).
    This is a good well thought out post.
    I like your suggestions and some of the ideas. I also agreed with you that you only trade Lamarcus for someone that can be a key part of the team right away or a top draft pick. I will assume Spurs think the same and thus he's still in the team (no other team has offered the only trade pieces that Spurs would trade him for).
    It's a lengthy post and I won't add to it, but just wanted to let you know I appreciate well thought out posts like this.
    Cheers

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    This is a good well thought out post.
    I like your suggestions and some of the ideas. I also agreed with you that you only trade Lamarcus for someone that can be a key part of the team right away or a top draft pick. I will assume Spurs think the same and thus he's still in the team (no other team has offered the only trade pieces that Spurs would trade him for).
    It's a lengthy post and I won't add to it, but just wanted to let you know I appreciate well thought out posts like this.
    Cheers
    Thanks!!!

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    If he signs for 30 mil or 1 mil it won't matter. It will be the same situation as this off season. His contract will be the last one signed because we hold his rights and we can go over the cap because of that. It's just like LeBron James being the last one to sign. The formula is get all the FA signed then resign your guys

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    You're right it will count against our cap hold.

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    Game 5 turned me 180 on Manu Ginibili.

    I now contend that as long as he wants to play, the Spurs should have an open spot for him on the roster.

    OTOH his playing time will be strictly related to his contributions.
    Don't force feed him crucial minutes based on history. If he's feeling it keep him in, but with a strong eye towards any potential setback in play.

    I honestly think his value on remaining on the roster has lots of benefits. He's too good of a 'locker room' figure to abandon just to open a roster spot for the 14/15th guys anyway.

    I don't know much about salary implications but he should get a fair contract without it affecting the Spurs' mobility in signing key pieces.

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    Only thing we could build around Manu is a casket. So we can send that mummy back to San Salvador, El Salvador

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    Only thing we could build around Manu is a casket.

    You've said some messed up before but this might be the best one.

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    Only thing we could build around Manu is a casket. So we can send that mummy back to San Salvador, El Salvador
    jesus christ you are the manu-hater but i have to give it to you this was ing hilarious: "san salvador, el salvador" lol

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