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Better shooter, better in the clutch, idk what a dumb conversation.
NBA section is dead so I thought we might as well spark up the LeBron vs MJ debates again
Better shooter, better in the clutch, idk what a dumb conversation.
Shannon Sharpe :
"Jordan before Pippen was Russell Westbrook... Just a guy that put up a lot of stats... "
DAMN
LeBron is a better shooter. Isn't LeBron also the most clutch shooter in nba history, per last something seconds or something?
It's true though. Westbrook's statpadding this season was the worst we've seen since Jordan had his assistant coaches update him on his stats and then stay in to statpad if he wantedShannon Sharpe :
"Jordan before Pippen was Russell Westbrook... Just a guy that put up a lot of stats... "
LeBron is the best player to ever pick up a basketball.
Yup.
People have to stop with the " Jordan tougher, mega clutch, will to win" BS narrative
Mid range shooting?
Pretty much this, tbh..everything else is narrative..killer instinct
He's also better at making decisions that lead to the death of a loved one..oh, and of course, killing Black youth..
I think Lebron might be better than Jordan, but neither are the best off all time.
Pippen led the Bulls to 55 wins. The best defender of his era
Meanwhile Lebron is going up against the Best Perimter defender ever, one of the top 3 scoring talent ever, the greatest shooter ever, the most unique defender ever....
Jordan played with the best defender, the best reboubder, the best european, and the best coach
DK was better at getting paraded to the free-throw line by the refs on bogus calls. That's about it, tbh.
MJ's game has no weak points, his jumper is light years ahead of LeCoon's.
LeCoon's % goes down significantly when he's like 3 feet and further away from the basket. Spurfans especially should remember how their defense sagged off Lebron in the 2013 Finals, daring him to shoot jumpers and he still bricked a lot of them. Try that with MJ and it's game over.
So no black kids ever killed or harmed each other over Lebron's shoes? I seriously doubt that.Pretty much this, tbh..everything else is narrative..
He's also better at making decisions that lead to the death of a loved one..oh, and of course, killing Black youth..
Who is Nick Wright?
Early career, 04-10 for Bron, 85-90 for Jordan, I'd say Jordan was more dominant. Both had classic playoff moments during these years, MJ 62 in boston, LeBron 25 straight vs the pistons.
Mid career, in their peaks, when they had teams around them and they won rings, their impact was about equal. MJ the better scorer, and ball hawk. LeBron the better passer(but turned the ball over more). On-ball defense, rebounding, and shot blocking a wash. Similar PERs, WS, and BPM during these years. Biggest difference obvs being LeBron lost three finals, and in embarrassing fashion in two out of the three(heavy favorites '11, very slight under dogs '14).
As we progress into LeBron's post prime career he can def make up ground. If he plays four, five more years(could probably play longer) he'll likely break a lot of playoff records. If he wins two more rings, I think the recency bias will cement him as the goat.
Main knock, I think is that LeBron couldn't shoot well deep into his career, and teams were able to sag off him. Cost in him 2007 and 2011. No way MJ loses either of those series.
lebron is the most overrated kent to ever play man
look at the games when he doesn't hit his shots, he plays disinterested continue to defer...
but when he hits his shots, he continues taking them making them look effortlessly, but we all know they are fluke shots from him...his not known to be a shooter anyway...
remember those games when his team is playing from behind and they needed points, yet he continues to defer...so if they lose the game, its on the players cause he got them open looks but couldn't hit anything
Jordan never lost in the Finals and he was as close to automatic in the clutch as it got, especially in the early 90's.
So LeBron is penalized for going further in the playoffs than MJ?
If Jordan was 1/1 in the Finals and LeBron 2/3, Jordan would still be bettee because he is unbeaten in the Finals?
What the ?
And let's not ignore all MJ's playoff losses
Both are great at punching Steve Kerr, but Kerr is still suffering from Jordan's punch with the spinal injury. I'd say Jordan wins that one.
Jordan had him on quickness and agility plus shooting. Lebron has straight line speed, length obviously, and strength.
Lebron never even shot higher than 77% from the line once in his career while Jordan never shot lower than 80 iirc and hit in the mid to high eighties over and over again
Lol MJ wasn't a great 3 pt shooter
His best 3 pt shooting happened during the shortened 3 pt line era
Another myth shattered
Comparing 3 pt shooting across eras isn't that accurate, players adapt and in the 80s/early 90s, 3s simply weren't that important back in the day. If they were, Jordan would have adjusted. He went from a so-so mid range shooter to deadly.
Lebron has more finals appearances but not even the same amount of rings, let alone more, so your example doesn't work. 2007, and 2011 were winnable series where he shrunk on the biggest stage.
A finals win is valued more than a CF win, especially since Bron hasn't played any superstars in the east since 2011 if you count MVP D Rose.
2007 was in no way, shape or form a winnable series for the Cavaliers. Other than maybe the Lakers-Nets Finals in 2002 there probably wasn't a bigger Finals mismatch in this century than '07.
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