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    Not possible. Sorry TB, it isn't free anywhere in the world.
    Not free anywhere else? Big whoop.
    There are a few things we can do that others cannot. This should be one of them.
    And to put a fine point on it, nothing of value is truly free. There will always be funding on the backside (taxes). But up front should be free. Period.

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    True, but what other country do you see like this?

    That's a sweet ride.

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    In short, Trump could be correct.


    Stranger things have happened ( o Mavs 2011)

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    Do Republicans think Medicare is a good program? I don't think they do. Ryan just wanted to keep it for seniors who skew heavily Republican while ripping it from all the younger generations.
    Yes but the average Republican doesn't have a ing clue that's what he was trying to do and if they did they wouldn't support it.

    Exhibit god-knows-what showing how ed up our healthcare system is: I just found out since my uncle is in the hospital that they catheterize all old people with limited mobility, regardless of whether or not there's an actual medical reason for the catheter, since that way they don't need to help them go to the bathroom and can staff fewer nurses. Is this something everyone knows and if so, why am I the only one who thinks that's really ed up?

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    I still don't understand why Republicans think medicare is a good program but for whatever reason providing the same ing service to younger people who actually still contribute to society would be the death of America.
    If people pay into Medicare all their working years, receive benefits when they turn 65 (in traditional Medicare, there are no limits to the Part B 20% co-pays so they still have to buy Medigap or Medicare Advantage) and the program is in trouble, what do you think it would cost to cover everyone from birth to death 100% and it be sustainable? Much more than anyone in America (except those with really serious conditions like brain tumor or cancer) would be willing to pay.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/life-styl...icle-1.2436004

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    Yes but the average Republican doesn't have a ing clue that's what he was trying to do and if they did they wouldn't support it.
    Not sure I agree. Older Republican voters seem to hate the younger generations.

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    If people pay into Medicare all their working years, receive benefits when they turn 65 (in traditional Medicare, there are no limits to the Part B 20% co-pays so they still have to buy Medigap or Medicare Advantage) and the program is in trouble, what do you think it would cost to cover everyone from birth to death 100% and it be sustainable? Much more than anyone in America (except those with really serious conditions like brain tumor or cancer) would be willing to pay.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/life-styl...icle-1.2436004
    Then why is healthcare significantly cheaper in every country that uses a single payer system than it is here? Shouldn't your beloved private pay system be resulting in cheaper overall costs?

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    Not sure I agree. Older Republican voters seem to hate the younger generations.
    Not all young 'uns. Just you.

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    Remember now, a significant portion of the population is under 18 and not working plus college students not contributing.

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    Remember now, a significant portion of the population is under 18 and not working plus college students not contributing.
    You think it's different in the single payer countries that have a more affordable and solvent healthcare system?

    , Sweden provides healthcare and a ing stipend for living expenses to its college students.

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    Not all young 'uns. Just you.
    you're still mad at me for my boutons troll?

    gfy tb

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    Consider myself ed and un able.

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    Talk to anyone from Western Europe or Canada and conservative or liberal, regardless of where their other political views stand, they'll say the thing about America they understand the least is that we actually think letting a few insurance companies that have a fiduciary duty to their shareholders control our costs and premiums somehow makes healthcare cheaper.

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    Insurance companies are just the tip of the iceberg. GPOs, hewing to the same "shareholder value" principals, are ing cabals.

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    So who pays for new drugs and medical devices? Do we copy from whom (like the rest of the world)? And what happens to all these European countries when they invite in hundreds of thousands of refugees into their countries. Will they be able to maintain all these "free" services? Is Germany gonna contribute their fair share to NATO or continue with their 1.19% of GDP?

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    The drug companies seem to be able to handle their R&D budgets just fine while burning tons of cash on advertising and Dr. subsidies. Were we able to scale their activities back to developing good meds and selling them on a truly open market ( borders), you will see them doing just fine.

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    Not free anywhere else? Big whoop.
    There are a few things we can do that others cannot. This should be one of them.
    And to put a fine point on it, nothing of value is truly free. There will always be funding on the backside (taxes). But up front should be free. Period.
    It's harder here because the military and defense is like 15-20% of our budget iirc. If you look at percents European countries and Canada for example have more money to go around since they don't go around jerking off to and idolizing their military. It's like a fetish people have for us having a strong military and that being a defining American characteristic. For whatever reason it gives some people a hardon to know America has the most powerful military. Even if dems get in and shrink it Rs will just jack it back up again when they retake office so well never have defense spending be comparable to other developed countries imo

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    Funny you should mention the military. Those bas s choke the pharma contracts mercilessly.

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    And brain and orthopedic surgeons are gonna accept US$95K (before taxes) like those in Sweden? Good luck with that. You guys are talking about upending not only the entire healthcare system but the educational system. After taxation, those specialists are making US$61k. Who would want to be a primary care physician much less a specialist (and I'm assuming you still want that brain surgeon to go through 15 years of school)?

    How much does a doctor earn in Sweden?
    Junior doctors earn gross 25-28000 SEK per month. Experienced resident doctors earn monthly 35-40000 SEK and salary of specialists begins from 55k SEK and rises to 70k SEK per month. After taxation, this last sum remains around 45000 SEK.

    http://www.overseasdoctorjobs.com/sv...tors-get-paid/

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    Hey, either they do or they don't. Free country. We underpay teachers as well. Somehow they still teach.

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    And yeah. We probably need to completely trash the current med Ed system.

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    Hey, either they do or they don't. Free country. We underpay teachers as well. Somehow they still teach.
    And we wonder about the sad state of our educational system.

    Why would anyone become a doctor when they could go to college for 4 years and get paid:

    Facebook

    Annual base salary: $107,000

    Stock/stipend per year: $37,500

    Signing bonus: $75,000 to $100,000

    Google

    Annual base salary: $112,000

    Stock/stipend per year: $25,000 to $55,000

    Signing bonus: $10,000 to $60,000

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres...205254557.html

    And what then would a nurse or a physician's assistant be making if a primary care doctor or specialist is making so little? Let's just adjust all the salaries we're used to in the US down - we'll all make minimum wage.

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    So you pick two complete outliers to showcase? Think before you post. You're comparing apples to parachute pants.

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    Incidentally, some people work a job because it's important to them and others. This usually doesn't have much to do with money. When I taught, I sure as didn't do it for the ing money.

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    WE should just amend the cons ution to make health care and education and health care a right of all citizens and get it over with.

    Education is so ty because of how it is funded. You can get a pretty good education at Reagan HS. If you go to East Central then you are ed.

    It's a similar issue with health care metrics where the poor getting the shaft skews the result.

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