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    Why were all the Spurs slipping on the floor...? REPEATEDLY... so annoying...
    It's the voodoo.

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    Happened again last night.
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    Yes, been my thought process since Durant signed in GS. If you somehow win, great. But no reason to throw in all the chips from a roster construction perspective that hurt you in the long term.

    Did not mean it in terms of the effort on the floor. Two totally different concepts. No different than how the Celtics didn't cash in their future assets but are still trying to compete this year (except Spurs are a much more real contender).



    The artificially high Ginobili figure comes way down and Parker/Gasol are almost $30mm of expiring deals. Green and Aldridge almost certainly opt out but you maintain Bird rights and can likely fit in one other piece in summer of 2018. I do agree though that the best move is to stay pat and keep everyone you can. Mills and Simmons can't be replaced for just the MLE which is all Spurs will have, so need to try running it back. As long as there are no bad deals, there's always flexibility to move guys out for 2018 cap space.
    I forgot about the '17 and '18 1sts (one could be a draft and stash), plus the bi-annual exception, which is more than likely getting used this off season (could be a player option attached, so it could come back off cap by '18).

    The point is, if they add a significant piece in '18, salary dumping, as opposed to salary cap space, probably facilitates it. The good thing is, they shouldn't have any bad contracts. If retained, Simmons' could be the most questionable (probably approaching or at mid-level), if he reverts to previous form.

    I've come around on mostly running it back (though I'd look into salary dumping Gasol), both because of the lack of a viable alternative and the majority of the less established/young guys showing well in big games, even if it is a small sample size. Might as well just see where improved continuity and internal development gets them.

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    I've come around on mostly running it back (though I'd look into salary dumping Gasol), both because of the lack of a viable alternative and the majority of the less established/young guys showing well in big games, even if it is a small sample size. Might as well just see where improved continuity and internal development gets them.

    Definitelt would look into salary dumping Pau though don't think it creates enough space to use cap space in the '17 offseason. Probably makes more sense if taking salary back and remaining above the cap. They could bring over Milutinov as a project / Austin guy next season and take a backup center back into the Pau salary (plus something else). If they evolve to playing more smallball lineups around Anderson and Bertans - who both figure to be around and will be cheap, and hopefully improved - they could do without Pau. Lee opting in cheap would be fine with me.

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    He's fearless and he's got the physical tools - length, athleticism & decent enough handles for a rookie PG. Also, the mechanics on his jumper look way different to college so he's obviously been working pretty hard at that, which generally takes time. His vision & decision making seems to be improving slowly, all very encouraging for a rookie PG that we really need. Needs to keep working though hard though - still relies too much on the floater to score.

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    Hopefully he shows out in game 2 and earns the start for game 3.

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    Murray reminds me of 2002 Parker to be honest.

    Now we just need Manu 2.0 and 2018 Kwahi has a chance to be 2003 Duncan.

    The West is pretty weak, I can see Spurs getting to Western Conference finals year after year with a steady roster, a bit of injury luck (hope karma swings the other way next year) we can get past warriors, LeBron is also getting older.

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    Murray should be the back up point guard or lead combo guard off the bench going forward...but the question is who's the starting point guard?

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    Murray should be playing more as a shooting guard in this series. The Spurs have to attack the basket. Murray and Simmons are two of the best on the team.

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    Some here treating GS like the rockets. This team has 5 all stars, 2 MVP's. They won because they are a very good team.

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    He was losing track of guys on defense. Isn't absolutely critical against their second unit... but that would be forbidden against their starters. He's been prone to ball-watching throughout the time he's played in the regular season, hope if he does start he can lock in and be on top of his game.

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    Refreshing to not see Livingston score posting up little guards in the first half, that was such easy second unit offense for them in the past few years.

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    Refreshing to not see Livingston score posting up little guards in the first half, that was such easy second unit offense for them in the past few years.
    Want to see Patty get less minutes. 37 is way too much if Warriors are going to be sticking Klay/Livingston on him.

    Would love to see a Manu, Simmons, Green, Bertans, LA lineup at some point tomorrow. Spurs need more versatile length on the court.

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    Murray should be the back up point guard or lead combo guard off the bench going forward...but the question is who's the starting point guard?
    Backup point guard? You start Murray and just play Mills more minutes off the bench until DJ earns more playing time. This is assuming HOTS retires.

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    Backup point guard? You start Murray and just play Mills more minutes off the bench until DJ earns more playing time. This is assuming HOTS retires.
    I'd bet 1,000,000 Murray won't be the starting point guard...and he really shouldn't be tbh

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    Murray reminds me of 2002 Parker to be honest.
    How so?

    Nothing about his game reminds me of young TP.

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    I'd bet 1,000,000 Murray won't be the starting point guard...and he really shouldn't be tbh
    Murray will be starting at some point

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    How so?

    Nothing about his game reminds me of young TP.
    His confidence reminds me of a young tp.

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    Murray will be starting at some point
    Next year??? Nah

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    'Things went downhill" is putting it lightly. They collapsed. They were outscored by 25 points in the next 20 minutes. Is the team so dependent on 1 player? That's not a team.
    When he is on the floor he is the creator, which gets everyone else the ball or an opportunity. Same thing happen with Jordan & Kobe or any other wing dominate player, the ball is in there hands 80% of the time when they are on the floor.. Its not till they go to the bench and the talent drops that you must have really good ball moment to help players create shots for them and get them into rhythm. That is why the offense seems to move a bit better once KL is off the floor, not sayin they as a team are better, but the ball moves more..
    Please note here I am not stating that KL is as good as MJ or KB just stating the offense structure when they are on the floor is geared around them.. The Bulls from the 90's did not lead the league in assists during there runs for les.

    ** Murray I think will play big part in Spurs advancing, I am hoping he will be able to contribute in the scoring department, which is where Spurs will need it the most.

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    Kawhi is better than Kobe at 25y/o, don't be ashamed of saying that.

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    When he is on the floor he is the creator, which gets everyone else the ball or an opportunity. Same thing happen with Jordan & Kobe or any other wing dominate player, the ball is in there hands 80% of the time when they are on the floor.. Its not till they go to the bench and the talent drops that you must have really good ball moment to help players create shots for them and get them into rhythm. That is why the offense seems to move a bit better once KL is off the floor, not sayin they as a team are better, but the ball moves more..
    Please note here I am not stating that KL is as good as MJ or KB just stating the offense structure when they are on the floor is geared around them.. The Bulls from the 90's did not lead the league in assists during there runs for les.

    ** Murray I think will play big part in Spurs advancing, I am hoping he will be able to contribute in the scoring department, which is where Spurs will need it the most.
    I'm not sure "creator" is the right word. The offense definitely runs through him because he's the best offensive weapon we have. However, he doesn't facilitate very well when he has the ball. If he gets it, he's most likely shooting it. I don't like the offense being so dependent on him but that's what we have and it got the team to where its at.

    I expect a valiant effort tonight and anything less will be disappointing. Even so, it might mean a double digit loss. ** Murray gave the team some solid minutes on offense but his defense was bad. He failed to switch properly and it led to points by GS. It's just a lot to expect of him right now. It may not be fair, but thats the way it is. He is getting solid experience and might be a better option to run things offensively than Manu. Poor Manu doesn't have the handles anymore and still makes woeful passes. Spurs can't afford turnovers against the Dubs because it leads directly to transition dunks or 3's.

    Pop needs to do a better job of alerting the refs to ZaZa's illegal screens and the players will have to emphasize the illegal contact more. What he got away with was criminal. Took Patty right out on a couple of occasions. Someone needs to smack the mother- er and get in his head. At least make things difficult for him. , the dude beat LA down the floor for an easy layup in the 2nd half. That's inexcusable.

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    I'd bet 1,000,000 Murray won't be the starting point guard...and he really shouldn't be tbh
    I think he should start tonight. Unless Pop is starting Manu.

    Those are the only two players that can really take players off the dribble right now. Gotta have one of them starting. IMO. Otherwise, GSW can just put on pressure man to man again.

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    Definitelt would look into salary dumping Pau though don't think it creates enough space to use cap space in the '17 offseason. Probably makes more sense if taking salary back and remaining above the cap. They could bring over Milutinov as a project / Austin guy next season and take a backup center back into the Pau salary (plus something else). If they evolve to playing more smallball lineups around Anderson and Bertans - who both figure to be around and will be cheap, and hopefully improved - they could do without Pau. Lee opting in cheap would be fine with me.
    Good point.

    Bertans will definitely have an increased roll.
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    Murray will need a bit more minutes. He is an inside threat with the ability to take his man off the dribble. It is absolutely critical now. Murray MUST perform if the Spurs are to get this win.

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