Klay's team had more success. He had some really good games along the way. That doesn't make him a much better offensive player than Kawhi.Kawhi lost to the team that he beasted on. He stepped up against the Rockets (steph was out) and brought the Warriors back from at 3-1 deficit against the Thunder. He's the reason Durant is in OKC. If the Warriors lose to OKC, Durant probably stays in OKC. Kawhi didn't do that. If Kawhi is so great (in December 2016) why wasn't he great in the playoffs? Why was Klay, if Klay is basically Danny Green?
You cannot argue with the results of each person's outputs, their career totals and the fact they came into the league at the same time. You want to pick a specific time window (usually a moving target, the most recent good game for example) and compare to Klay's worst performances even though Klay is a 3rd option at best. You seem to think Klay is a 3rd option because he sucks, but he did all the things I mentioned in the quoted post. Sucky players don't prove themselves in the playoffs, and you cannot dismiss his results with the wave of a virtual hand while forgiving Kawhi's failure to beat the Thunder in the second round of the same playoffs.
"But Kawhi wasn't the 1st option then"....
Neither was Klay
You're a fat, stubborn idiot.
It's out of my price range. So unless you have fat rolls to hide, take my bet, fat ass.
Klay played better than Kawhi but that doesn't make him better.
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I offered you an 80% discount and you still cannot afford it. You picked the wrong UT to get your engineering degree from obviously.
It's out of my price range. So unless you have fat rolls to hide, take my bet, fat ass.
How can it be out of your price range? You only pay if you're wrong. You seem to think it's too risky to put your money where your mouth is.
wtf are you 2 arguing over?
Kawhi averaged more PPG, PPS, APG has a better FG%, FT%, TS%, OWS, ORPM, OBPM during the RS. You can add 3PT% to that list during these playoffs.Klay played better than Kawhi but that doesn't make him better.
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So no, it doesn't make Klay the much better offensive player.
That's fine. I'm a dirt poor be@ner that went to lolutsa.I offered you an 80% discount and you still cannot afford it. You picked the wrong UT to get your engineering degree from obviously.
That doesn't change the fact that you have fat rolls to hide or else you'd take my bet.
Cliff notes:
He thinks Klay Thompson is a much better offensive player than Kawhi. I think he's an idiot.
He claims he's not a fat . I don't believe him.
Klay Thompson is basically a better version of Danny Green (LDN version not the last 2 years version). In what world is this even a reasonable discussion?
In his fat, diabetic world, apparently.
It's a good season, reaching the ceiling etc. But the way this team is built for the future, which is still the post-TD era, is not looking that swell right now.
Damn D, just give it up bro. You aint winning with that take.
Not in 2015-2016.Klay was 12th in the league in scoring, Kawhi was 15th. You made the argument in December 2016, just a couple months into the latest regular season. Like I said, you use a moving target. If you're wrong, you abandon it like you did with the Patty Mills schtick. Now you're trying to move the comparison foward to today, 5 months after you made the original assessment even though I said "that could change". Unlike you, when I make an assessment, it's got a time stamp on it, not a moving target I can cherry pick or abandon.
You don't believe that else you'd take mine. I wouldn't show my pic on here for 5 dollars and you know that already.That's fine. I'm a dirt poor be@ner that went to lolutsa.
That doesn't change the fact that you have fat rolls to hide or else you'd take my bet.
Which take would that be? I can prove my position with stats and facts. If you want to use the eyeball test, you're on your own. You also have to have a time frame of reference, not a moving target.
I said in December that Klay was a better offensive player than Kawhi. It's indisputable at that time. I also said that could change. He even quoted me saying in this thread. He is dishonest and his schtick is falling apart.
He also only has 5 dollars worth of faith that his beliefs are true. So he won't bet anything to support them.
Ok so what's your reasoning behind standing by that for the 16-17 season?
Pretty sure all of those except PPG would apply for 15-16 too. Kawhi had a better 3PT% that season as well. Plus we've had this same discussion numerous times. I've made it clear multiple times that Kawhi is better just by virtue of being good enough to be the top guy on an elite team. Klay hasn't shown that ability. You're comparing an MJ to a second/third wheel. All these other stats are just to destroy your argument even more.
And you know I'm not going to bet 1k or 5k on it. It's just false bravado on your part.You don't believe that else you'd take mine. I wouldn't show my pic on here for 5 dollars and you know that already.
Kawhi>Klay on offense isn't a schtick. It's just the truth, you fat idiot.
It was absolutely disputable at that time, fat boy. Just because you say it wasn't doesn't make it so. You still think he's better too (just wait till June).
You brought up stats? Is that what you call a 37 PT quarter, 60 PT game, and a really good game at OKC?
Here's some stats for you, fat boy:
Kawhi: 25.9 PPG, 48.3 FG%, 36.2 3PT%, 1.43 PPS, 8.3 OWS, 6.4 OBPM, 5.26 ORPM
Klaynus: 22.2 PPG, 47.1 FG%, 41.8 3PT%, 1.26 PPS, 3.8 OWS, 2.3 OBPM, 2.77 ORPM
2015-2016
Kawhi - 21.2 PPG, 1.40 PPS, 2.6 APG, 61.6 TS%, 50.6 FG%, 44.3 3PT%, 4.19 ORPM, 8.3 OWS, 5.5 OBPM, 26.0 PER, 25.8 USG%
Klaynus - 22.1 PPG, 1.28 PPS, 2.1 APG, 59.9 TS%, 47.0 FG%, 42.5 3PT%, 2.38 ORPM, 5.4 OWS, 2.9 OBPM, 18.6 PER, 26.3 USG%
but Klaynus being a much better offensive player is indisputable
i bring stats and facts to my argument
So everything except scoring.
My reasoning? Because I made the observation in 2016 and you keep revisiting it as if I made it yesterday. Kawhi was the top guy and lost as the top guy. Klay was the 2nd option and won as the 1st option. You do the math.
You won't bet anything on it because you're afraid to be wrong. I am in the driver's seat here because I know whether or not I would win. Still, I offered the bet so you must either think I am bluffing, which you should call, or you think your hand isn't strong enough to justify the raise.And you know I'm not going to bet 1k or 5k on it. It's just false bravado on your part.
Kawhi>Klay on offense isn't a schtick. It's just the truth, you fat idiot.
So every time you use the same attack, that voice in the back of your thick skull will say "you and he both know you're too afraid to back that up"
Sure I love ing with you. If you want to use a moving target so do I. There's a reason your country is 3rd world, most of you are naive and unable to grasp abstract concepts. You're also cowards which is why your governments are ruled by drug cartels.It was absolutely disputable at that time, fat boy. Just because you say it wasn't doesn't make it so. You still think he's better too (just wait till June
THat's what I call the entire 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds of the playoffs, you know, when Klay averaged more PPG than Kawhi? When Klay carried his team to the victory against the same team Kawhi couldn't beat?You brought up stats? Is that what you call a 37 PT quarter, 60 PT game, and a really good game at OKC?
That's why I offered this after you compared Klay to Danny Green:
Where's Danny's moment last year in the 2nd round? , where's Kawhi's?
Kawhi 2015-2016 Playoffs PPG 22.3
Klay 2015-2016 Playoffs PPG 24.3 (less than 1ppg fewer than the MVP Steph)
Surely a role player like Klay shouldn't carry his team to the Finals while Kawhi's team was done for the year already because Kawhi didn't make enough non-assisted plays.
These takes by folks like you (Here's some stats for you, fat boy:
Kawhi: 25.9 PPG, 48.3 FG%, 36.2 3PT%, 1.43 PPS, 8.3 OWS, 6.4 OBPM, 5.26 ORPM
Klaynus: 22.2 PPG, 47.1 FG%, 41.8 3PT%, 1.26 PPS, 3.8 OWS, 2.3 OBPM, 2.77 ORPMThe top set of stats was gathered months after your original argument. The 2nd was what your argument should have been predicated on. Klay's career pt total is about 20% higher than Kawhi's. They entered the league at the same time. If you think Klay cannot put points up faster than Kawhi, you need to show when Kawhi was able to score 60pts in 29 minutes. In fact, show one 50pt game.2015-2016
Kawhi - 21.2 PPG, 1.40 PPS, 2.6 APG, 61.6 TS%, 50.6 FG%, 44.3 3PT%, 4.19 ORPM, 8.3 OWS, 5.5 OBPM, 26.0 PER, 25.8 USG%
Klaynus - 22.1 PPG, 1.28 PPS, 2.1 APG, 59.9 TS%, 47.0 FG%, 42.5 3PT%, 2.38 ORPM, 5.4 OWS, 2.9 OBPM, 18.6 PER, 26.3 USG%
but Klaynus being a much better offensive player is indisputable
i bring stats and facts to my argument
Kawhi has become a much better offensive player this season. Klay's numbers have suffered due to the arrival of Kevin Durant. This season ended a few weeks ago, and it wasn't decided in the middle of December last year. This is just a take you feel worked out for you so you keep pursuing it. Like your "fat" take, you don't have any faith in the you say, you just cherry pick the ones you think you got right and ignore the rest. You even walked away from 5 thousand dollars without giving it a second thought, because you have zero confidence in your take. Klay didn't become a worse offensive player because of Kevin Durant. He just became less utilized. The fact that he could take a primary role in a huge series and dominate in it says enough. It's what fans have always used to make these calls. It's why Karl Malone was always considered a choker in the playoffs. If you elevate your game in the playoffs, you're legit. End of story.
Yeah, absolutely everything except PPG. In which he trailed him by a whopping 0.9 PPG. Which was reason enough for your fat ass to call him a much better offensive player.
I keep revisiting it because you have yet to acknowledge that Kawhi is a better offensive player. You patted yourself on the back during the last regular season match-up because Klay had a good game @ SA. And you continue to say stupid like "wait till June".
I absolutely think you're fat. I mean you have 60k posts and are so engulfed in this message board that you've developed an ego and sense of superiority on it. Tell tale sign that the extent of your physical activity is picking up your laptop, imo. Plus fat hands, obviously.You won't bet anything on it because you're afraid to be wrong. I am in the driver's seat here because I know whether or not I would win. Still, I offered the bet so you must either think I am bluffing, which you should call, or you think your hand isn't strong enough to justify the raise.
So every time you use the same attack, that voice in the back of your thick skull will say "you and he both know you're too afraid to back that up"
But at the same time I've never physically seen you, so yeah I guess there's a slim chance that you aren't the obese mother er I think you are. That's why I won't put 1k or 5k on it. But you know that. All this is just false bravado by your fat ass. You're depending on my unwillingness to put up that type of money to rid yourself of the fat label. Not going to work though. Sorry, fat boy.
You aren't " ing with me", fat boy. You're simply showing that you're a stubborn, fat idiot.Sure I love ing with you. If you want to use a moving target so do I. There's a reason your country is 3rd world, most of you are naive and unable to grasp abstract concepts. You're also cowards which is why your governments are ruled by drug cartels.
THat's what I call the entire 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds of the playoffs, you know, when Klay averaged more PPG than Kawhi? When Klay carried his team to the victory against the same team Kawhi couldn't beat?
That's why I offered this after you compared Klay to Danny Green:
2015-2016 Playoffs
Kawhi - 22.5 PPG, 1.36 PPS, 2.8 APG, 59.7 TS%, 50.0 FG%, 43.6 3PT%, 82.4 FT%, 1.1 OWS, 7.4 OBPM, 116 ORTG, 28.1 USG%
Klaynus - 24.3 PPG, 1.28 PPS, 2.3 APG, 58.8 TS%, 44.4 FG%, 42.4 3PT%, 85.4 FT%, 1.9 OWS, 4.1 OBPM, 113 ORTG 28.0 USG%
Hardly suggests Klaynus is a much better offensive player. Couple that with RS and it's worse. Nice try.
but it's indisputable
Here we go with the career total stuff. How many times do I need to acknowledge that earlier in their careers Kawhi wasn't the better offensive player, fat boy?The top set of stats was gathered months after your original argument. The 2nd was what your argument should have been predicated on. Klay's career pt total is about 20% higher than Kawhi's. They entered the league at the same time. If you think Klay cannot put points up faster than Kawhi, you need to show when Kawhi was able to score 60pts in 29 minutes. In fact, show one 50pt game.
I think Klay is more likely to have a super explosive game than Kawhi. So was Jamal Crawford. But he doesn't have those type of performances consistently enough for it to lead me to claim that he's a much better offensive player than Kawhi. Or even a much better scorer. Kawhi edges him out in just about every metric and raw average/percentage.
Kawhi has become a much better offensive player this season. Klay's numbers have suffered due to the arrival of Kevin Durant. This season ended a few weeks ago, and it wasn't decided in the middle of December last year. This is just a take you feel worked out for you so you keep pursuing it. Like your "fat" take, you don't have any faith in the you say, you just cherry pick the ones you think you got right and ignore the rest. You even walked away from 5 thousand dollars without giving it a second thought, because you have zero confidence in your take. Klay didn't become a worse offensive player because of Kevin Durant. He just became less utilized. The fact that he could take a primary role in a huge series and dominate in it says enough. It's what fans have always used to make these calls. It's why Karl Malone was always considered a choker in the playoffs. If you elevate your game in the playoffs, you're legit. End of story.
His FGAs and PPG went up slightly. His USG% remained the same. But keep talking out of your fat ass and claiming his numbers have suffered with the arrival of KD. Or that he became less utilized.
You can't just cherry pick his best series ever and use that to make him out to be some kind of clutch playoff performer, you fat idiot. Especially when, in general, he's been pretty underwhelming in the playoffs. How did he do in the Finals during their le run? How is he doing so far this year? It's like using Harden's 2012 series against the Spurs to claim he raises his game in the playoffs. Fat moron.
Jimmy.
Murray/Butler/Kawhi/Ibaka/Dedmon. That's my dream line up for next season.Jimmy.
Send LA back to the team that originally drafted him -- The Bulls.
You can't just cherry pick his best series ever and use that to make him out to be some kind of clutch playoff performer, you fat idiot. Especially when, in general, he's been pretty underwhelming in the playoffs. How did he do in the Finals during their le run? How is he doing so far this year? It's like using Harden's 2012 series against the Spurs to claim he raises his game in the playoffs. Fat moron.
Shame a pro basketball player, a 2 nonetheless, cant make any plays when he cant shoot over guys... i told you all the key to this series was assists. Check the stats
It's actually two seasons worth (including playoffs) of pretty much every offensive metric and raw average/percentage. Kawhi has the edge in the large majority of them in both seasons. Nice try trying to equate it to you using one series, a 37 point quarter, and 60 point game though, fat boy.
The rest is just you desperately hanging on to career stats and using team accomplishments when comparing individuals. Weak .
It's actually two seasons worth (including playoffs) of pretty much every offensive metric and raw average/percentage. Kawhi has the edge in the large majority of them in both seasons. Nice try trying to equate it to you using one series, a 37 point quarter, and 60 point game though, fat boy.
The rest is just you desperately hanging on to career stats and using team accomplishments when comparing individuals. Weak .
Normally you have decent takes but this one is just atrocious. You can claim that Klay scored more points (on more shots btw) something that is factual but your extrapolation from that just makes you look ignorant. Klay Thompson is a limited offensive player (look at his % of FGM that were assisted for an example why).
Klay Thompson scored more points. Factual
Klay Thompson is a better scorer/shooter. Debatable (I'd say wrong)
Klay Thompson is a better offensive player. Inaccurate.
Also wins has nothing to do with whether a player is better offensively.
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