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I think of it this way: if Simmons were on another team, would I be like "oh , here comes Simmons, Spurs are screwed." Or would I be like "Eh, whatever."
I'm thinking the latter would be true.
Best or second best defender on the team.
Clowns on here (you know who) tried to credit Green last series for Harden being shut down. It was Juice, Juice, and Juice.
Only SG worth a on this team
I think of it this way: if Simmons were on another team, would I be like "oh , here comes Simmons, Spurs are screwed." Or would I be like "Eh, whatever."
I'm thinking the latter would be true.
You could literally say that about any player on the Spurs roster sans Kawhi.
Begs the question. Why didn't he defend Durant more. Try to keep DG on Curry and Simmons on Durant and try to contain the other guys. Match their minutes. It's worked before in 2013 with DG on Curry and Kawhi on Thompson.
If Green is on Curry, then Curry will go off. Sums up that fraud's season. Can't get bailed out by Kawhi in the 4th quarter anymore
Until the Wcf, I thought there'd be more demand for Patty on the market than Simmons, but it wouldn't surprise me if Jonathon gets a bigger contract now.
no way
ps: Hoping they'll bring Hanga this year (Simmons, Green, Hanga and Kawhi would be a good group of athletic wings, maybe add one more)
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Personally, I think that is a lock. Patty has been in the league long enough to show he is what he is and nothing more. Backup energy guy that sometimes hits shots. I think the time with the Spurs has helped Simmons BB IQ and defensive skills. He can create and is athletic. A starter on a decent team.
That play last night where he went up on the drive, faked finishing left, changed and finished right while hanging was pretty.
Danny "I'm going to let Kawhi guard Harden" Green at the end of the game.
I thought Hanga is a scrub. I haven't heard about him improving much. I'm not really interested.
You thought wrong regarding Hanga.
Players like Simmons are not common. He's a positive on both offense and defense. Make him the priority. Not Mills, Not Dedmon.
Anywhere form 8-12 mil per is fair for 3 yrs.
Yeah, but your basing that off one
post-season run?
He was awful in large part of the RS this year..at least defensivley.
I'd keep him if he doesn't demand over 10
I agree. Sa needs a slasher, but murray is here. Unfortunately simmons looked like crap attacking last night. Simmons or mills its simmons hands down
He got better. The guy spent 6 hours a day, 6 days a week in the gym this summer. He's had it this year, Pop was just playing musical chairs too much with him and Kyle. I said it during the season that Pop should stop it and just give all the minutes to Simmons because he had the higher ceiling -- which was true. I'd pay him 8-11 million per for 3 years only. If he insists on 13-15 mil per, I let him walk.
I thought he was solid all year defensively by the way. On the top of my head, I think he also committed the most charges on the team even in his limited role -- which says a lot.
The most consistent aspect of his game this season was his defense. No idea where you got the idea he was awful defensively.
8-11 is fair. I think Murray takes the ball of simmons hands next year. He's just a bigger drive threat. Right now, murray plays as the secondary ball handler with Simmons in the floor. Minus kawhi ofcourse.
He was pretty spotty this year, imo. Some bad stretches defensivrly too.
I was impressed by his defense since the first game of the season tbh. His offense, on the other hand, was extremely spotty; his shot has been extremely bipolar since he got here. If he's willing to settle for $8-10mil a year I'd definitely want the Spurs to bring him back.
Simmons is a decent on-ball defender..His issue is off-ball.
His offense struggles when the spurs start their lamarcus Aldridge four down offense.
He needs an offense where the ball is swinging in the perimter so he can attack in space.
Spurs need to put an end to 4 down tbh.. Should have retired the damn play and put it in the rafters when Duncan retired.
Tim Duncan will never be walking through that door again. Play is pointless with anyone else besides prime TD or Hakeem.
He's been fine. He got chances all season too. He was averaging 20 minutes for the vast majority of the RS and Kyle only started to get minutes when Simmons started fading on his own. Then the last month, Pop started resting players and giving more minutes to everyone once seeding was fixed. Simmons still got a ton during that stretch. Started quite a few games too.
If you think Simmons didn't get chances through the season you are deluding yourself....
But that's irrelevant bc he's put it together in the playoffs and he might not have done that anyways unless the cir stances became what they were and he was pushed beyond what he had been doing. That's what matters.
He was pushed in the playoffs and he either rose up like he did or failed to do that like LMA did for example. The fact he's improved under pressure has value. One hopes once he found this level he will be able to sustain it. It's not unrealistic to hope he can. Things like this are precisely when you see a player out it together and grow. Sometimes it's like this. It's why players say they want to compete against the best players. That's how they get better.
By the way Kyle this postseason has been much better than the last one even when he was the guy not getting g rotation minutes nor a fair shake from Pop in terms of an established role or spot in which to grow.
As for Simmons, I expect him back unless some team pays him starter money and role. Spurs could match anything theoretically but they have to wonder what makes sense for them to match or no. And truly it's a wild guess. However unless Spurs land a star in FA through dumping some contracts around etc reupping Simmons is likely the best they can do.
I want to keep Simmons but we have to be weary of hooking him up with a contract and him getting Malik Rose syndrome...
I agree completely. You can draft Bell if you want a Dedmon like player. Patty is more of the dime a dozen than Simmons tbh. Forbes could do what Mills has done with less handles but he can shoot and play the guard next to Simmons.
The more and more I think about it, i'm starting to lean on keeping Gasol and Aldridge and maybe bringing Anderson in the starting lineup at four with someone as insurance. Maybe a rookie... But you let Dedmon and Patty go for reals and make Simmons a priority. He's always shown flashes of being capable of the Manu role but has struggled with the consistency. This may be his coming out party. For a guy like him performing on this stage against the best team in the league, I don't know how you go down from there and with players like Aldridge and Leonard spacing the floor it will only get easier with his shots. imo
Manu was hurting Simmons all year. Juice needs the ball in his hands and he obviously wasn't getting it with Manu and Mills running their terrible offense. Simmons was just a bystander until recently when Manu realized he was done and let others handle the ball. Also not surprising he's shining with the starters, no Manu in sight.
The Cory Joseph syndrome. Good starter, terrible fit with Ginobili.
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