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Manu sounds a little butt-hurt, and a bit in denial.
Look, true Spur fans realize he was key for this playoff run in certain moments. We love him for that. But we cannot also easily say, "so it was better to have Manu and not someone else". That is a harder conclusion, since "someone else" would have received valuable playoff experience and an important year to learn the system and play with Kawhi.
Manu has to realize that for most games, he looks pretty poor. He's slow and reckless now in attacking the basket, and his shot is random. Fans are right to think retirement is near, and probably proper. The team has to move on. Don't feel bad about it Manu, count your money and live like el Rey in Argentina, just don't use their banks (use Colombian ones).
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Lol hes so butthurt
Ditto!We're still up 23 on them. That hasn't changed for me too Manu.
Hope not!
Manu will be back and Pop can just play him every other game. Play him, rest him, play him, rest him, etc and he'll only have to play 41 games.
It can't be denied that Manu felt a bit awkward with fans and opposing players/coaches feting him as if he declared it he was done..Not sure he's type of guy who will let that decide it for him , but I'm genuinely getting more confident he'll be back..
Thanks, Nono. Nothing like hearing things straight from the horse's mouth.
People will still make up their own stories between now and whenever he announces something. But I believe he said exactly what he meant, and he really doesn't know yet.
Other than that, he should really look out of the window of his house to see if TGY/Hater/Splits aren't out there with torches and pitchforks before tweeting.."I'm back"..Thanks, Nono. Nothing like hearing things straight from the horse's mouth.
People will still make up their own stories between now and whenever he announces something. But I believe he said exactly what he meant, and he really doesn't know yet.
With very few exceptions, I can't keep up with who hates who here. More to the point, I don't even try. When they same something that has some fact behind it, I don't care if they're a hater. Reality is the same, no matter who says it. When they just say "this guy sucks" with no reason, I don't care if it's the first time they've said it or the thousandth time. Stupid is the same, no matter who says it.
You're either a fan of nostalgia or you're a hater.
Ginobili had his lowest eFG% (.491) of his career, tied for lowest TRB's (2.3) of his career with his rookie season, lowest assist totals since his rookie season (2.3), lowest VORP (1.3) and the lowest win shares of his career (3.0). He was slightly better in TOV% (16.5) than the two previous seasons but that's probably due to his significant decrease in USG% which was the lowest since his rookie season.Even with the bounce back year in the postseason, he had his 2nd lowest eFG% (.459) of his career, 2nd lowest WS (.5) and tied for the second lowest VORP (.3) of his career.
I mean, he's a Spur for life and I don't think many fans are hating on him but, most knowledgeable fans can see that he's been hanging on to the thin end of a rope for a few years now and he just doesn't have much to give anymore. Some fans (we'll call these fans haters for argument sake) would like to see Ginobili end his career on a high note (2017 playoffs) rather than struggle his was through another long NBA season at 40. I used to be big on nostalgia but unfortunately, I don't need to watch a player's career die on the court just because player fans don't want to let go of the past. 2005-2007 Ginobili isn't walking through those doors. Can he comeback for the league minimum and play the role of player/mentor for some of the youngsters? Yeah, he can but let's be honest, it's highly unlikely that he'd accept a league minimum contract and even more unlikely that an organization which prides itself on loyalty, would even consider such a low ball offer. It's just not worth going above the salary cap to hand out free money to a player who can't possibly come close to living up to his contract and in the process, sacrificing the MLE in the process.
per game is pretty meaningless when you factor in GNob had the lowest minutes per game of his career.
Per minute much more accurate
Assists: 5.1 better then half of all his seasons
TRB: 4.4 at the lower end but....
In the eyeball test, I saw all the testicles and great play I needed to see to judge Manu.
Bring back for another year.
Just don't pull some 14 million dollar bull again.
This is all good, but if we're going to have Joel Anthony for bench filler, I rather it be Manu, tbhYou're either a fan of nostalgia or you're a hater.
Ginobili had his lowest eFG% (.491) of his career, tied for lowest TRB's (2.3) of his career with his rookie season, lowest assist totals since his rookie season (2.3), lowest VORP (1.3) and the lowest win shares of his career (3.0). He was slightly better in TOV% (16.5) than the two previous seasons but that's probably due to his significant decrease in USG% which was the lowest since his rookie season.Even with the bounce back year in the postseason, he had his 2nd lowest eFG% (.459) of his career, 2nd lowest WS (.5) and tied for the second lowest VORP (.3) of his career.
I mean, he's a Spur for life and I don't think many fans are hating on him but, most knowledgeable fans can see that he's been hanging on to the thin end of a rope for a few years now and he just doesn't have much to give anymore. Some fans (we'll call these fans haters for argument sake) would like to see Ginobili end his career on a high note (2017 playoffs) rather than struggle his was through another long NBA season at 40. I used to be big on nostalgia but unfortunately, I don't need to watch a player's career die on the court just because player fans don't want to let go of the past. 2005-2007 Ginobili isn't walking through those doors. Can he comeback for the league minimum and play the role of player/mentor for some of the youngsters? Yeah, he can but let's be honest, it's highly unlikely that he'd accept a league minimum contract and even more unlikely that an organization which prides itself on loyalty, would even consider such a low ball offer. It's just not worth going above the salary cap to hand out free money to a player who can't possibly come close to living up to his contract and in the process, sacrificing the MLE in the process.
Maybe, but now let's look at Boban's stat line per 100 posessions... 29.9 ppg/ 19.6 TRB (7.4 ORB)
We paid Ginobili 14M dollars and let Boban "Wilt Chaimberlain" Marjanovic get away? Precisely why I don't use per 100 possessions as a go to stat but duly noted on the minutes reduction for Ginobilli.
As would I.
Doesn't Manu realize that the fans did the chanting and standing ovation JUST IN CASE he decides to retire and that was his last game? Regrettably, they never got to do that for Tim, since his last game was in OKC.
Play Boban tbh...Maybe, but now let's look at Boban's stat line per 100 posessions... 29.9 ppg
We paid Ginobili 14M dollars and let Boban "Wilt Chaimberlain" Marjanovic get away? Precisely why I don't use per 100 possessions as a go to stat but duly noted on the minutes reduction for Ginobilli.
As would I.
All of the same can be said for Parker, do you want him to retire too?You're either a fan of nostalgia or you're a hater.
Ginobili had his lowest eFG% (.491) of his career, tied for lowest TRB's (2.3) of his career with his rookie season, lowest assist totals since his rookie season (2.3), lowest VORP (1.3) and the lowest win shares of his career (3.0). He was slightly better in TOV% (16.5) than the two previous seasons but that's probably due to his significant decrease in USG% which was the lowest since his rookie season.Even with the bounce back year in the postseason, he had his 2nd lowest eFG% (.459) of his career, 2nd lowest WS (.5) and tied for the second lowest VORP (.3) of his career.
I mean, he's a Spur for life and I don't think many fans are hating on him but, most knowledgeable fans can see that he's been hanging on to the thin end of a rope for a few years now and he just doesn't have much to give anymore. Some fans (we'll call these fans haters for argument sake) would like to see Ginobili end his career on a high note (2017 playoffs) rather than struggle his was through another long NBA season at 40. I used to be big on nostalgia but unfortunately, I don't need to watch a player's career die on the court just because player fans don't want to let go of the past. 2005-2007 Ginobili isn't walking through those doors. Can he comeback for the league minimum and play the role of player/mentor for some of the youngsters? Yeah, he can but let's be honest, it's highly unlikely that he'd accept a league minimum contract and even more unlikely that an organization which prides itself on loyalty, would even consider such a low ball offer. It's just not worth going above the salary cap to hand out free money to a player who can't possibly come close to living up to his contract and in the process, sacrificing the MLE in the process.
I would want him to move to the bench. But if Ginobili was in Parker's shoes (age 35), I'd be pleading with the organization to bring in some help and let Ginobili be the shooting guard he was brought in to be and alleviate some of the everyday pressures of trying to run the offense for the second unit. The PATFO doesn't care. Their idea of help is trying to convert a shooting guard with far less skills than a washed up Ginobili, and turn him into a pg.
They tried to turn Georg Hill into a pg, didn't work. They tried to turn Gary Neal into a pg, massive failure. They tried to turn Paddy Mills into a pg, massive failure. The organization is largely responsible for Ginobili's deterioration. Manu pours his heart and soul into every possession on the court and that dumb ass stick in the mud GM didn't give him any help..
Without his buddies Diaw and now quite possibly Mills might add weight to a decision to retire.
Me. Parker does it to be famous, manu does it because he loves the competing. Manu wont retire because his need for going out with a ring, or at least getting beat by a better team with sa at full strength. Parker will be 700 pounds by the time he can actually rehab then he wont bc hes a pussy
The 14M was for low balling him over the years.Maybe, but now let's look at Boban's stat line per 100 posessions... 29.9 ppg
We paid Ginobili 14M dollars and let Boban "Wilt Chaimberlain" Marjanovic get away? Precisely why I don't use per 100 possessions as a go to stat but duly noted on the minutes reduction for Ginobilli.
As would I.
Yeah....whodathunkit...
You're either a fan of nostalgia or you're a hater.
Ginobili had his lowest eFG% (.491) of his career, tied for lowest TRB's (2.3) of his career with his rookie season, lowest assist totals since his rookie season (2.3), lowest VORP (1.3) and the lowest win shares of his career (3.0). He was slightly better in TOV% (16.5) than the two previous seasons but that's probably due to his significant decrease in USG% which was the lowest since his rookie season.Even with the bounce back year in the postseason, he had his 2nd lowest eFG% (.459) of his career, 2nd lowest WS (.5) and tied for the second lowest VORP (.3) of his career.
I mean, he's a Spur for life and I don't think many fans are hating on him but, most knowledgeable fans can see that he's been hanging on to the thin end of a rope for a few years now and he just doesn't have much to give anymore. Some fans (we'll call these fans haters for argument sake) would like to see Ginobili end his career on a high note (2017 playoffs) rather than struggle his was through another long NBA season at 40. I used to be big on nostalgia but unfortunately, I don't need to watch a player's career die on the court just because player fans don't want to let go of the past. 2005-2007 Ginobili isn't walking through those doors. Can he comeback for the league minimum and play the role of player/mentor for some of the youngsters? Yeah, he can but let's be honest, it's highly unlikely that he'd accept a league minimum contract and even more unlikely that an organization which prides itself on loyalty, would even consider such a low ball offer. It's just not worth going above the salary cap to hand out free money to a player who can't possibly come close to living up to his contract and in the process, sacrificing the MLE in the process.
I know you understand the cap, and I know you've looked at where the Spurs are likely to be. They are going to have to pay a healthy price for at least a couple of players, which means they will have to round out the roster with some "affordable" guys. And we all know that means guys that don't see the light of day in the playoffs, unless there is another string of injuries. And maybe not even then.
Manu isn't what he used to be, and we all understand that. And if he has to get paid like last year, it's not even close. But at the vet min, I would take him over just about anything else the Spurs could find for that price. I'd take him based on skills, without any consideration for how he used to play. All those stats you listed are true, but I don't think that means anything. Just compare him to other players at the same price, and not to who he used to be.
think pop and spurs are ready to move on from him
but since he is so popular they are hoping he just retires
that might be way he is feeling pushed out
This. As nice as Tim's retirement ceremony was, the fans didn't get the on-the-court send off. If Manu does retire, I hope he becomes the first international studio personality. Great writer, with great insight. Do it TNT. I can see Charles introducing his new colleague - GINOBILI!!!!!
Last edited by Old School 44; 05-25-2017 at 03:26 PM.
I thought for sure he was coming back despite a reduced level of play because he was healthy. But when Pop started him like that out of nowhere and played him all the minutes it was like a message which threw me off.
But Manu can keep cashing checks and playing 5 minutes like he said so I can definitely see him making as much money as possible until he actually breaks down.
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