The lack of shooting of that second lineup is something to admire.
My dream scenario:
CP3, Green, Kawhi, Bertans, Dedmon.
Murray, Manu, Korver, Anderson, Pau
Tony, Forbes, drafted wing, drafted wing, vet min Center
My realistic scenario:
Murray, Green, Kawhi, Bertans, Aldridge
Tony, Manu, Korver, Anderson, Pau
Vet min PG, Forbes, drafted wing, drafted wing, vet min center.
^^^
Like that you have Manu coming back.
Yeah, I would rather have Manu back for the minimum, than Simmons for more money and years. I can't stress enough how dumb it would be from the Spurs to commit to Simmons long term. It would be beyond idiotic and it wouldn't take much for folks to start turning on him and his mediocre play.
I love his guts to step up on these playoffs after Kawhi went down but dude just isn't very good.
Lack of defense with 2nd units is something to laugh at.
Anyone who thinks Tony is coming off the bench behind Murray is sorely mistaken. When Tony is ready to go he'll start. Spurs are a business after all, and they don't want to trot out that lineup with their 2 stars on the bench, at home.
So you were just pointing out that there are bad ideas on ST? You had me at Jimmer.
Whatever, tick.
Manu, Korver and Anderson are all above average defenders for their position. They would do more than OK, for less than 20 minutes a night together, against second units.
Manu is pretty damn good for his age at defense. I feel like if he retires it'll be because he's worried about getting embarrassed at that end of the court, though. Having to guard fast guards when you're 40 is no joy. Offensively, he has years left, imo. Though, it must be frustrating to not be able to do all he once did at such high speeds.
None of the other 39 year-olds hold a candle to him.
You saying Korver is an above average defender says enough.
Don't tell me you buy into the lazy, dumb stereotype that only 'cause he's white and shoots jumpers, Korver is a bad defender. I had you as smarter than that.
By advanced metrics (and also, eye test for anyone that watches with even a bit of interest, tbh) Korver has always been a pretty decent defender. And it's not difficult to see why: he has good size for his position and he's smart and hard nosed.
I haven't checked his numbers this season but I have heard that they aren't as good as they used to be, but I would still take years and years of evidence over one season where he got traded, changed schemes and got his minutes and comfort zone all ed up.
metrics. Defensive metrics are great, except when they're not. Which is about half the time. , the defensive metrics said that the Spurs defense suffered when Kawhi was on the floor. If you don't know better than that, then no metrics are going to help you.
Korver is an annoying sonofa on defense - when he's on the other team. In that respect, he's always reminded me of Danny Ainge. I'd have been happy to have him on the Spurs, and I've said so lots of times. He's getting older, so I'm sure he's not the player he once was - or at least not for as many minutes. But I remember saying that Mike Miller was too old, and then he just torched the Spurs in the playoffs that year. I remember people here saying that the Spurs didn't want any part of Derek Fisher because he was too old and slow, and couldn't play a lick of defense. Then he just tortured the Spurs with his defense in the playoffs.
I wouldn't break the bank to bring in Korver at this point. But at a reasonable price? I would love to have him on the roster.
Edit: Oh, and he can shoot the out of the 3 ball.
I didn't think so either; but I let it go.
I brought up the metrics because if not it would be a "your word, against mine" type of argument. Besides, defensive metrics can be ty at an specific time, or for a particular season, but when the metrics indicate the same season after season there must be something there. But anyway, as you say: if you watch the guy play you can also realize that he's far from a liability, on defense, out there.
I like that team.
Second unit has question marks but it can't be helped with as much change as the Spurs have. Who knows how Tony and Manu come back, but it's a question mark no matter what.
You havent watched him play defense the past year or two then.
I dont blindly go by metrics either if thats what youre implying. I've probably watched more hawks/ cavs games than you and Daf combined the past 2 seasons. Korver has regressed tremendously on that end. He canr stay infront of anyone.
Do not want.
If Spurs whiff on major players this offseason, give me this scenario:
Murray - Green - Kawhi - Anderson - Aldridge
PG: Vet PG/Forbes/ TP
SG: Hanga
SF: Simmons/ Jabari Bird* (59th)
PF: Bertans/Lee/ DJ Wilson (26th)
C: Gasol/Bell (29th)
Two Undrafted FAs - Two way Contract w/ ATX
Pau opts in, Simmons gets re-signed to 3/4 yr deal : 8.4 mil per 1st two seasons. Lee opts out, signs 1+1 vet min again. Mills signs in Philly. Dedmon elsewhere. MLE or minimum* 1+1 used on Mack/ vet PG.
**Spurs Trade 2018 1st for Portlands 26th ( they have 3 1sts).
- Spurs draft DJ Wilson w/26th, Jordan Bell w/ 29th. Jabari Bird w/59th.* Bell/ Wilson have chance to crack rotation if they show enough ability/IQ to gain trust w Pop. Bertans or DJ will compete to take KA starter spot --* DJ Wilson having highest ceiling. Bell could make Pau expendable by deadline.
Til TP comes back, the bench has the two best shooters on the team w/ Forbes & Bertans to spread the floor -- dont forget Pau ( if SA holds om to him). They have two excellent perimeter defenders in Hanga/ Simmons to negate perimeter oriented scoring. They have Simmons to play make in PnRs.
Then they have two guys im exremely high on with Bell & DJ Wilson who probably make Pau and Kyle or Bertans expendable by January. Both these players bring tremendous versatility and effectivess on D and on offense. Bell is outstanding in PnRs on offense -- making smart quickpasses to weakside corners when he receives the pass when rolling or he can finish with authority. DJ Wilson can pretty much do anything you want him to do -- whether if its spreading the floor and spotting up from 3, or setting screens and diving. Both guys are extremely versatile defensively and can probably guard anyone 1-5. They are excellent in PnR defense with hedges and switches. Theyre also excellent in the interior. Both can run like gazelles and move extremely well. Them two growing with Murray & Kawhi would be a special situation moving forward if they all fulfill their potential.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 05-30-2017 at 02:05 AM.
Fathead starting for the Spurs. GTFO got.
What an untalented roster, especially in the back court. Barring significant improvement from Murray, it might be the worst in the league. Mack is a fringe rotation player, who doesn't excel at any particular thing. Flexibility is great in theory, but as objective and I have been saying, they're not likely not have nearly as much as it may seem at the moment. The free agent class is also weak and though they could take on salary in a trade(s), no one is salary dumping a player who moves the needle, so there's no reason to go so cheap at such an important position.
Spurs need to modernize themselves in certain respects, but they also can't force feed something. The reality is, most teams still start traditionally. Sure, being able to play big and small at the time is ideal, but as much as I dislike him, there's only one Green. The Warriors aren't playing how they were because of philosophy, but because of personnel; the likes of which they got lucky with and can't be replicated.
Anderson has had plenty of time to show development and he has some good attributes but he's too ing slow for his size. Dude moves like he's 7'6".
That's disappointing
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