Warriors: 38/8/8

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Truth bomb

Mighty hit it square on the in' head there.

Mighty

[AlexJones]

And people thought they gave up way too much to get Durant.

That the instagram from WWE? god damn

[spursistan]

Seriously, how much more re ed can you get?

This is like the 3rd or fourth thread this week I see DMC getting bodied in ..Not sure if he is still playing obtuse in that Kawhi vs Klay "debate" ..

[Arcadian]

Not bad for the 3rd best player on the planet. (1 Kawhi, 2 Lebron)

[DMC]

Are you actually implying that Kyrie and Love are franchise players? They couldn't even make the playoffs once as The Guy on their teams. Even playing together, they're 4-12 when LeBron's not there to carry them. They don't even deserve to be all-stars, let alone considered franchise players.

Absolutely. If you think Manu could have been a franchise player then by all means Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving are franchise players, both led franchises. They don't have to make the playoffs to be franchise players. How is your 1st overall pick PG who was the focus on offense for the team until Lebron came back, not a franchise player? How is the guy who gets 30 points and 30 rebounds, makes 4 all star teams, 2 time All NBA 2nd teams and the Olympic gold medal team not the franchise player in Minnesota when he's the focus and the team built around him?

Was Cousins a franchise player in Sacramento? You bet. They didn't make the playoffs either.

What, suddenly a franchise player has to be top 10 talent?

So that's two franchise players to the Cavs' one. They also have a better overall starting lineup and more depth.

No. Curry was drafted 7th overall. Even KD wasn't a 1st overall pick. Lebron, Kyrie both 1st overall picks. Kevin love, 5th overall pick. So you have 2 1st overall draft picks, a 4th and 5th against a 2nd and 7th overall. I know you want to factor in their season results but that's circular reasoning. You can't say they are better because they get better results. If they are better, it's because they play better together. Lebron's teams don't gel right away in these things but they still could.

Irving and Love are fake stars and the rest of the roster blows chunks. That's why. One player isn't beating this Warriors team all by themselves, I don't care who they are.

Everyone is a fake star when they lose. This is the same team that won last year... when the Warriors won 73 RS games and 3 finals games.

No wonder you were vouching for Jamal Crawford over Manu in that other thread. I guess flashy AND1 dribble moves really are more important to you than fundamentals, shot selection or defense.

He's the reason the Cavs won the Finals last year, or one of the reasons. You're hardly the bastion of pragmatism and NBA a en. If anything, your the NBA forum version of Boutons.

So was Anthony Bennett.

Exactly, and so was Wiggins. Cavs had 5 1st overall picks that they could play together. Hard to feel they are somehow at a disadvantage.

How many playoff appearances? How many actual NBA accomplishments did he have in Minnesota, not Olympic medals that he was carried to by stacked teams against third-world countries?

Irrelevant. It's who Lebron traded 2 1st overall picks for.

Oh really? Which year was Thompson drafted first overall? I'll wait.

Meant 4th overall.

Are you really lamenting the lack of talent in Cleveland?

They are just as stacked at the Warriors. Their flaw is that Lebron isn't a great 3pt shooter and they don't move the ball well but none of Lebron's teams ever did. He's a great passer, but they've never had a system that really emphasized getting the ball to an open shooter, only to a specific player, namely Lebron. That's why his teams need to be stacked with talent, because if you're going to go iso on 80% of your plays, you better have some good 1 on 1 players and bailout bigs and shooters.

Poor Lebron, not enough talent on other teams for him to pilfer.

[DMC]

Seriously, how much more re ed can you get?

Obviously KD wasn't the franchise player in OKC per ST butthurt krew. That would be Russell, or did the Beta tag suddenly not mean what it obviously has meant for years?

Stick with fellating Manu, he's going to retire soon and you and the rest of the South American contingent will be cheering for poverty ball again.

[DAF86]

You have to hand it to him, tbh. That's some elite level argument twisting right there.

#1 pick=automatic franchise guy

All heil the great Kwame Brown. Franchise player. American hero.

[spurraider21]

Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving are franchise players, both led franchises. They don't have to make the playoffs to be franchise players.

There are only a handful of real franchise players in the NBA. These are people you can build your franchise around for the foreseeable future and have good success.

stop, bro

[spurraider21]

only way this works is if DMC thinks you can have good success while missing the playoffs

[DMC]

You have to hand it to him, tbh. That's some elite level argument twisting right there.

#1 pick=automatic franchise guy

All heil the great Kwame Brown. Franchise player. American hero.

He was the best player on the franchise and they were building around him. When Lebron came back, it was Kryie's team. This we all know.

You struck the mold by promoting Manu to a franchise player through prognostication.

[DMC]

stop, bro

I clearly distinguish Manu level "franchise player" from "real" ones, and yet you cherry pick one that suits you again, lapdog.

[spurraider21]

franchise players are those you can build around with success
these two guys who never made the playoffs as lead players are franchise players

you cant address the argument on the merits, so you deflect with philo, lapdog, no stance!, pinoy! it's adorable, really.

[spurraider21]

I clearly distinguish Manu level "franchise player" from "real" ones, and yet you cherry pick one that suits you again, lapdog.

oh so now there are franchise players, and REAL franchise players as a separate category?

well that's a convenient development...

[DMC]

franchise players are those you can build around with success
these two guys who never made the playoffs as lead players are franchise players

Neither has Manu, yet you and others here swear he could have. When cornered on it the response was that Manu could have been a franchise player on half the teams in the league, yet half the teams in the league didn't make the playoffs.

So pick a lane. Either accept my definition which I will gladly retract my statement about Irving and Love, or we can take your stance and I will accept that Manu might have been the best scorer on a ty team. Take your pick.

[spurraider21]

Neither has Manu, yet you and others here swear he could have. When cornered on it the response was that Manu could have been a franchise player on half the teams in the league, yet half the teams in the league didn't make the playoffs.

So pick a lane. Either accept my definition which I will gladly retract my statement about Irving and Love, or we can take your stance and I will accept that Manu might have been the best scorer on a ty team. Take your pick.

your definition adapts when it's convenient. now i'm learning that you have a category for franchise players and a special category for "real" franchise players. was michael redd a franchise player? a real franchise player? a quasi franchise player? i dont know

you wont pick a lane and answer if manu is better or worse a player than redd

[DMC]

your definition adapts when it's convenient. now i'm learning that you have a category for franchise players and a special category for "real" franchise players.

No, I won't let DAF use a double standard. If he thinks Manu being the best player on a non-playoff team makes him a franchise player, then Kyrie and Love were franchise players. You cannot have it both way. Tell him I said that when you return to his lap.

So which is it, Philo?

[spurraider21]

so you wont let DAF have a double standard, but you let yourself come up with evolving definitions of franchise player on a post to post basis to satisfy the argument du jour

[DMC]

Why are you editing your posts Philo? I don't need to chase your Redd herring. I never said Manu was better or worse than Redd. I just offered the stats. If you think Manu could have replaced Redd, then was Redd a franchise player or not?

[DMC]

so you wont let DAF have a double standard, but you let yourself come up with evolving definitions of franchise player on a post to post basis to satisfy the argument du jour

I posted the Wiki definition right away. Since then it's been DAF being a Manu and you lapdogging him until his penis falls to sleep.

[spurraider21]

Why are you editing your posts Philo? I don't need to chase your Redd herring. I never said Manu was better or worse than Redd. I just offered the stats. If you think Manu could have replaced Redd, then was Redd a franchise player or not?

i edited my post because i wanted to change something in my initial post. it's not rocket science.

[DAF86]

No, I won't let DAF use a double standard. If he thinks Manu being the best player on a non-playoff team makes him a franchise player, then Kyrie and Love were franchise players. You cannot have it both way. Tell him I said that when you return to his lap.

So which is it, Philo?

When did I ever say that?

I stated from the get go that I thought Manu could be the best player on a good NBA team. That clearly implies making the playoffs (and more, tbh).

[Chris]

Spurs had them down 23, then let them off the hook 4 straight times, just like that!

[DMC]

When did I ever say that?

I stated from the get go that I thought Manu could be the best player on a good NBA team. That clearly implies making the playoffs (and more, tbh).

You said Manu was better than Ray Allen, Allen Iverson, Steve Nash and you threw in Starbury there to try to clean it up. I said early on Manu could be the best player on a good NBA team. No team would use him as the center piece for building though, he's be just a good player on a good team. That's not what a franchise player is. This was addressed already.

[DAF86]

You said Manu was better than Ray Allen, Allen Iverson, Steve Nash and you threw in Starbury there to try to clean it up. I said early on Manu could be the best player on a good NBA team. No team would use him as the center piece for building though, he's be just a good player on a good team. That's not what a franchise player is. This was addressed already.

I never said Steve Nash, tbh. Although it could be argued, imho. And yeah, I will always argue Manu > Iverson. My two favourite players, the two players I have seen the most of. I know their strengths and weaknesses and I know for sure who the better player is.

P/S: You keep switching your definition of "franchise player", why are you acting like it has been "adressed"?

[LkrFan]

Those stats came off wide-open shots created by the sheer amount of defensive attention that Curry is drawing. Durbeta is literally thumping his chest and bragging about the equivalent of shooting in an empty gym.

"Alpha"... a real "alpha" would have finished off the Warriors with a 3-1 lead last year, not choked, quit, and joined them in the offseason.

Wanna talk about this shiiiiiiiiit?