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Danny for Covington or Homes. Will Philly take it?
I don't see any scenario where the Spurs trade Tony. They're too loyal (to a fault). Danny or someone else would get the axe, sadly.
Danny for Covington or Homes. Will Philly take it?
The Spurs could have went the loyalty route if Kawhi didn't become the player he is today. He worked his ass off and turned himself into a Superstar - one of the best players on the planet. So now, IMO, I think the Spurs owe it to Kawhi to not waste his prime years by trying to build the best possible roster around him that can legitimately compete for Championships. He deserves to be on that stage playing for Championships with all the work he's put in to get here, and all the work he will continue to put in to stay here.
The Spurs can't be idiots and keep Parker around for nostalgic reasons if he can't perform on the court anymore, especially at his current salary. I would still take him in a role off the bench as a reserve with a low salary, but if they have to trade or waive and stretch him to help get a better roster around Kawhi, then that is what they should do. He's already won 4 Championships here - that's more than most players could dream of, the Spurs don't owe him anything more than that IMO.
I don't know why you would discredit Tony. All he has ever done is won with this team. Played his heart out. Won a finals MVP. Did what Pop told him to. Lead behind the scenes. Don't you think the Spurs owe it to him to let him give it a shot? To keep him, and to pay and rehabilitate him through his treatment? It is one more year until his contract is up.
So the Spurs win the first game? Then lose 4 straight? How do? And what did you see this season prior to think the Warriors would dominate?
Easy choice is yes. Seriously, how "deep" was the team when kawhi went down? Thats the depth that cp3 cost? I'll gladly pay that. Kawhi needs help. This depth doesn't exist, he just made everyone's job way easier as he will do with whoever joins. Cp3 is worth losing parker and Gasol for sure as they were both no shows. Patty always plays bad against gs, and Danny is a great asset on D, but i havr no doubt that can be replaced with someone who can dribble.
Spurs did not have as much depth as people make it out to be. Had a bunch of role players that Pop helped make look great. It is what it is. You dont pass on a top 10 player in this day. Team will have way more options next year with cp3 and kawhi the bargaining chips. That's a of a sale for anyone wanting to win. Gsw only have so kany open roster spots tbh.
Spurs aren't dumping or stretching Parker.
If they want to create the $35.4 mil or so needed for Paul they'd have to do more than trading Pau and Green and renouncing every upcoming FA.
Name one player the Spurs kept for the sake of "not doing him like that". A player past their usefulness?
George Gervin - traded (Age 33)
Alvin Robertson - traded (Age 26)
Avery Johnson - Not re-signed (Age 34)
Sean Elliott - Traded (Age 25)
Malik Rose - traded
Bruce Bowen - traded (Age 38)
David Robinson - retired (Age 37)
George Hill - traded (Age 24)
Brent Barry - Traded to Seattle /Re-signed with Spurs after 30 days / Left via Free Agency
Willie Anderson - Left unprotected to Expansion draft (Age 28)
Rod Strickland - not re-signed
Matt Bonner - not re-signed
Manu Ginobili - still playing, still welcomed back, still useful
Tim Duncan - Retired a Spur / kept until the wheels fell off and still played at a high level (Age 40)
Vinny Del Negro - Not re-signed
Jaren Jackson - Not re-signed
Steve Smith - Not re-signed
Stephen Jackson - Not re-signed
Steve Kerr - Traded by Spurs / Re-signed by Spurs / Retired a Spur (Age 37)
Robert Horry - Not re-signed (wanted to come back) (Age 37)
Fabricio Oberto - traded (Age 34)
Tiago Splitter - Traded
Danny Ferry - Retired a Spur
Terry mings - Not re-signed
Last edited by tmtcsc; 06-05-2017 at 02:02 PM.
Owe it to him? Absolutely not. He was paid handsomely for his services. That is the literal pay back. Its hard-core but the NBA is a business. How do you tell the other guys in the locker room that you are potentially passing on a Championship run for the sake of one player who is a long shot to ever play again? How do you justify it to Kawhi Leonard? A guy who desperately wants to be the best and win championships that "We as an organization value being good-hearted over winning" ? Its not realistic. I'm sure the team will honor Tony for his career by retiring his number. But beyond that, there is nothing else to do. He's going to get paid for his final year.
He sent a message to the Spurs through the French newspaper, that he wasn't going to retire. Ok, fine. Then he will end up playing out his final year on another team (his choice) or will get waived by another team in a salary dump before he can ever suit up again. man, even Emmitt Smith was let go by the Cowboys. I'm sure they wanted him to retire but he felt he could still play. Adios.
Last edited by tmtcsc; 06-03-2017 at 03:08 AM.
Spurs will get exploited on D when it matters if they keep TP over Green.
If they can improve the roster by ridding themselves of TP's contract, they will absolutely do it. Will it be for CP3? I don't know because there are legitimate injury concerns with him. Not sure what is up with all his hand injuries and hamstring pulls.
If they want to create the $35.4 mil or so needed for Paul they'd have to do more than trading Pau and Green and renouncing every upcoming FA.
Why do you think the Spurs would need 35.4 mil to sign CP3? That seems excessive. He won't get the max from the Spurs. If he wants to come here to win and play with Leonard / Aldridge, he will need to take less money. Even if the SPurs pay him $25 Mill per season, he would be the highest paid player on the team. Forget what you read on various sites about needing to flush the roster, Salary dumping TP and trading Green will most likely get it done.
Mills & Dedmon will probably leave somewhere else but that was expected. Hopefully the Spurs can keep Simmons.
So if gutting means saying bye to:
Patty Mills
Dedmon
Tony Parker
Danny Green
Then yeah, the team is being gutted. If Pau opts in to his contract, I doubt he gets traded. I bet Manu comes back to play another year and a chance to play with CP3 would help in the decision.
Last edited by tmtcsc; 06-03-2017 at 03:03 AM.
They will both need to go. Danny was a terrific defensive player but his offense was woeful. If he wasn't making 3's, he probably wasn't scoring. Sucked at the FT line too. The Spurs need someone more versatile at the 2 guard.
Absolutely. Their starting SG is white American scrub Stauskas and they're poised to take Josh Jackson, SF, in the draft. If they sign hometown guy Lowry or bring back Holiday, they can make the playoffs with a starting 5 of Lowry, Green, Jackson, Simmons, Embiid
I want Richaun Holmes though. Spurs need to get him at all costs. Been praising him for 2 years now that he produces when given playing time. Averaged 14 & 7 as a starter this season. Knows how to get open in the paint and can even stretch the floor a little.
Last edited by TheGreatYacht; 06-03-2017 at 03:31 AM.
No i disagree.
Pau needs to go, not Danny.
Spurs need as many good perimeter defenders as possible vs the only two teams that matter.
No i disagree.
Pau needs to go, not Danny.
Spurs need as many good perimeter defenders as possible in todays NBA.
Their willingness to pay the tax doesn't factor at all with regards to getting Paul or anyone else this summer. In fact, potentially going after Paul shows they're very willing to pay the tax for the Kawhi-Paul-Aldridge trio after 2018.
Can't create a great team by staying under the cap for 3-4 seasons in a row.
Any plausible sign and trade scenarios?
I bet Spurs front office is gonna try and restructure Pau Gasol's contract, and resign David Lee. That means the fall guys for possibly signing CP3 will probably be Green and Parker, etc. There might be other trades possibly I know Gasol didn't have a good season but he is a good team player.
If it was for a sure thing like CP, then yeah, sure, business comes first I suppose. But for Crabbe? No. You trust your champion point guard he has something left.
They're not doing Manu that way. He's referring to Porker's contract, though.
i would love to get Chris McCullough, TBH.
I'd take Cliff Paul over Chris Paul tbh. At least he doesn't have a hisory of losing.
I seriously think that this CP3 to us is just a smokescreen and they already agreed to bring back George Hill.
Excellent, rational perspective. I sure hope PATFO realizes this stuff. But I am just not sure.
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