Kathy Griffin is being bullied by the Trumps

[Reck]

I'm not surprised. You probably never stood your ground once in your life, except in a video game.

I can smell the losery from here.

[Th'Pusher]

Some of you lack good reading skills. It's right there in the posts you quoted but you're too shallow to see it, maybe it's abstract and out of your league but let me help you...

"lack of motivation" /= "apathy".

The common schtick here by trolls like you is to pretend there are only the extreme ends of a position, no gradient. That's me giving you undue credit for not being a total re who lacks capacity for abstract thought. You're basically Th'Pusher with a more social agenda, probably married or dated across racial lines to convince others you're not a racist. Even your alt takes don't hide the in you.

This is particularly rich coming from you. Remind us of your views advocating absolutely no forced wealth transfer.

[Adam Lambert]

Why does it have to be mutually exclusive? You had a lack of motivation before, during and after the election, and somehow you think it's going to ramp up?

And you wonder why you lost.

Some of you lack good reading skills. It's right there in the posts you quoted but you're too shallow to see it, maybe it's abstract and out of your league but let me help you...

"lack of motivation" /= "apathy".

The common schtick here by trolls like you is to pretend there are only the extreme ends of a position, no gradient. That's me giving you undue credit for not being a total re who lacks capacity for abstract thought. You're basically Th'Pusher with a more social agenda, probably married or dated across racial lines to convince others you're not a racist. Even your alt takes don't hide the in you.

dictionary definition of apathy is "lack of interest, enthusiasm or concern." its cool with me if you need to psychoanalyze me to distract you from your mental deterioration but whether im a troll or not youre getting your pushed in. but please, entertain us more with your 6th grade rust cohle "im so deep maaaan" act.

[DMC]

This is particularly rich coming from you. Remind us of your views advocating absolutely no forced wealth transfer.

As soon as you define your terms "forced" and "wealth" and "transfer" because you'll play every angle otherwise, like you tried to do with the claim that profit isn't the best motivator for drug discovery then every response thereafter was centered around profit driven industry doing things for profit.

[DMC]

dictionary definition of apathy is "lack of interest, enthusiasm or concern." its cool with me if you need to psychoanalyze me to distract you from your mental deterioration but whether im a troll or not youre getting your pushed in. but please, entertain us more with your 6th grade rust cohle "im so deep maaaan" act.

So if you don't go to the gym today but you feel like you should, are you apathetic or just unmotivated? Did you notice the words "lack of motivation" in there anywhere?

Gradient...

Get your learn on, son.

I wasn't psychoanalyzing you. I was typecasting you. Another learning gap rears its ugly head. Unless you're ready to talk about your dreams and , that is.

btw, you didn't disagree with me.

"us"

[DMC]

I can smell the losery from here.

If I was as close to you as you are, I could as well.

[Reck]

If I was as close to you as you are, I could as well.

Oh shut the up. You're boring as . Your schticks are pathetic even for koolaid standards.

[DMC]

Oh shut the up. You're boring as . Your schticks are pathetic even for koolaid standards.

you keep responding, can't stay away.

[Th'Pusher]

As soon as you define your terms "forced" and "wealth" and "transfer" because you'll play every angle otherwise, like you tried to do with the claim that profit isn't the best motivator for drug discovery then every response thereafter was centered around profit driven industry doing things for profit.

Remember when you posted that graph of new chemical en ies by country as evidence that the profit motive was an effective driver of innovation in the modern pharmaceutical industry?

[DMC]

Remember when you posted that graph of new chemical en ies by country as evidence that the profit motive was an effective driver of innovation in the modern pharmaceutical industry?

I remember you submitting that profit was the motivation for drug discovery, you just said it was ineffective but couldn't provide an example of a more effective one. When you tried though, you ended up just shifting the cost to the taxpayer, yet bigPharm was still profiting.

[Reck]

you keep responding, can't stay away.

Getting on on multiple fronts.

[Th'Pusher]

I remember you submitting that profit was the motivation for drug discovery, you just said it was ineffective but couldn't provide an example of a more effective one. When you tried though, you ended up just shifting the cost to the taxpayer, yet bigPharm was still profiting.

So you don't remember that stupid chart you posted as "empirical evidence" for your ridiculous argument?

[Th'Pusher]

I remember it. It was embarrassingly stupid

[DMC]

Getting on on multiple fronts.

quitting the forum
welching
Hillary supporter

[DMC]

So you don't remember that stupid chart you posted as "empirical evidence" for your ridiculous argument?

I remember it. It was embarrassingly stupid

I recall you saying it wasn't taxpayer funded, it was government funded - that it was better for bigPharm to have a consortium but stopped short of defining "better" when in reality you meant it would make them more profits if the taxpayers took on the financial burden of R&D for private pharma industry.. as if somehow this en y called government has an income separate from tax revenue.

I recall you lost, again.

So go cherry-pick a phrase or graph and present it out of context again. Maybe you'll get a +1.

[Th'Pusher]

I recall you saying it wasn't taxpayer funded, it was government funded - that it was better for bigPharm to have a consortium but stopped short of defining "better" when in reality you meant it would make them more profits if the taxpayers took on the financial burden of R&D for private pharma industry.. as if somehow this en y called government has an income separate from tax revenue.

I recall you lost, again.

So go cherry-pick a phrase or graph and present it out of context again. Maybe you'll get a +1.

You don't remember well. My argument was around mitigating technical risk through a number of potential methods. You just glommed onto the one that was taxpayer funded as it suits your government is the problem narrative.

You posted that stupid chart and emphatically said how's that for empirical evidence in an effort to argue socialist countries weren't innovating new drugs out of context.

[DMC]

You don't remember well. My argument was around mitigating technical risk through a number of potential methods. You just glommed onto the one that was taxpayer funded as it suits your government is the problem narrative.

You posted that stupid chart and emphatically said how's that for empirical evidence in an effort to argue socialist countries weren't innovating new drugs out of context.

Technical risk = financial risk

Number of potential methods = taxpayer funded consortium

Never once did you provide the alternative incentive for new drug development, not once.

And you lost already... let it go.

You have the hardest time letting go when you've lost. Just like the CHL discussion when you didn't know the difference between the law and the license.

[Th'Pusher]

Never once did you provide the alternative incentive for new drug development, not once.

Don't need to. Doesn't change the fact that the profit motive disincentives new innovation and encourages evergreening.

that chart tho.

[Th'Pusher]

empirical evidence

[DMC]

Don't need to. Doesn't change the fact that the profit motive disincentives new innovation and encourages evergreening.

that chart tho.

On Monday, Margaret Chan, the director general of the World Health Organization, condemned the pharmaceutical industry for neglecting to create a vaccine for the Ebola virus, even though the disease has threatened West Africa for almost 40 years.

“Ebola emerged nearly four decades ago,” Chan said in an address to the Regional Committee for Africa in Benin. “Why are clinicians still empty-handed, with no vaccines and no cure?”

Chan blamed this on big pharma–quite simply, there is no incentive for drug companies to make something that won’t be profitable. “Because Ebola has historically been confined to poor African nations. The R&D [Research and Development] incentive is virtually non-existent,” she said. “A profit-driven industry does not invest in products for markets that cannot pay. WHO has been trying to make this issue visible for ages. Now people can see for themselves.”


Basically, if Ebola cure was profitable, then bigPharma would have developed it by the writing of this article.

Ergo - profit is the driver for drug development. Saying it disincentivizes development is wrong. Profit is the incentive, you can't legislate concern for humanity. If your statement was correct, profitability would steer companies away from development. There would be no incentive to develop drugs in fear of profits.

Perhaps what you mean is that it thwarts non-profitable development. That's not the same as saying profit motive thwarts development - when in reality it's the only reason for development. That doesn't mean it should be the only reason, but it is.

Maybe if you could work on expressing your thoughts in a more cogent manner, pages and pages of meaningless banter could be avoided.

[Th'Pusher]

On Monday, Margaret Chan, the director general of the World Health Organization, condemned the pharmaceutical industry for neglecting to create a vaccine for the Ebola virus, even though the disease has threatened West Africa for almost 40 years.

“Ebola emerged nearly four decades ago,” Chan said in an address to the Regional Committee for Africa in Benin. “Why are clinicians still empty-handed, with no vaccines and no cure?”

Chan blamed this on big pharma–quite simply, there is no incentive for drug companies to make something that won’t be profitable. “Because Ebola has historically been confined to poor African nations. The R&D [Research and Development] incentive is virtually non-existent,” she said. “A profit-driven industry does not invest in products for markets that cannot pay. WHO has been trying to make this issue visible for ages. Now people can see for themselves.”


Basically, if Ebola cure was profitable, then bigPharma would have developed it by the writing of this article.

Ergo - profit is the driver for drug development. Saying it disincentivizes development is wrong. Profit is the incentive, you can't legislate concern for humanity. If your statement was correct, profitability would steer companies away from development. There would be no incentive to develop drugs in fear of profits.

Perhaps what you mean is that it thwarts non-profitable development. That's not the same as saying profit motive thwarts development - when in reality it's the only reason for development. That doesn't mean it should be the only reason, but it is.

Maybe if you could work on expressing your thoughts in a more cogent manner, pages and pages of meaningless banter could be avoided.

Nope. The profit motive incentivises evergreening at the expense of new product development. That was the argument and it's 100% accurate.

but that ing chart

[DMC]

Nope. The profit motive incentivises evergreening at the expense of new product development. That was the argument and it's 100% accurate.

but that ing chart

Argument by repe ion/assertion

Everything that causes people to chose one road over another is at the expense of the other road. What's your alternative?

The chart was to show you that profit driven industry has produced more drug discoveries than anything else. Why hasn't the socialist system created an Ebola cure? Why did the WHO director focus on profit driven industry? Why can't Africa fix its own problems? Oh I know, because no one wants to invest in it because it not PROFITABLE.

Keep running - stay ignorant.

Turd Pusher, when you push him, a turd is produced.

Here's another piece that clearly defines the motive... from all participants.

http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline...om_the_numbers

[Th'Pusher]

The chart was to show you that profit driven industry has produced more drug discoveries than anything else.

no it wasn't. It was shown in an attempt to argue non democratic socialist countries are more innovative than socially democratic countries...and it was ing stupid.

[Th'Pusher]

Here's another piece that clearly defines the motive... from all participants.

http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline...om_the_numbers

Never argued it wasn't the motive. The argument was that it was not an effective driver of innovation.

You don't even know what my argument was, so off.

[DMC]

no it wasn't. It was shown in an attempt to argue non democratic socialist countries are more innovative than socially democratic countries...and it was ing stupid.

no